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View Poll Results: Do You Think It's a Sin to Have Elective Cosmetic Surgery?
Yes 1 3.33%
No 28 93.33%
Sometimes (Please explain in comments) 1 3.33%
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Old 10-02-2018, 05:21 AM
 
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I am proud of how I look, yet I do not look down on others.

I do ask why a god would make someone not attractive and socially inept so that they have problems finding a partner. Is that also part of your gods divine plan?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Old 10-02-2018, 07:13 AM
 
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Why is OP drawing the line at elective cosmetic surgery? Why not include all surgery? Why not include prosthetic limbs?

After all, isn’t it all god’s design for people to have chunky noses, irregular cheekbones, funny looking ears, cancer, exploding gall bladders, and gangrene? If your particular god is omnipotent, your god caused these things to occur, and they would be part of some plan.

That being the case, under what circumstances is it ok to defy god’s plan? If a person has cancer, aren’t you putting your judgment and morality above your god’s if you treat it?
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:01 AM
 
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Why is OP drawing the line at elective cosmetic surgery? Why not include all surgery? Why not include prosthetic limbs?

After all, isn’t it all god’s design for people to have chunky noses, irregular cheekbones, funny looking ears, cancer, exploding gall bladders, and gangrene? If your particular god is omnipotent, your god caused these things to occur, and they would be part of some plan.

That being the case, under what circumstances is it ok to defy god’s plan? If a person has cancer, aren’t you putting your judgment and morality above your god’s if you treat it?
That plan must include the free will to/not contaminate the earth.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:10 AM
 
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That plan must include the free will to/not contaminate the earth.

I don’t see why that plan must contain free will. Even so, that is irrelevant, isn’t it? As posed by the OP, isn’t the excercise of free will inherently sinful, because any change from the way god has planned things is challenging his plan?
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:16 AM
 
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It's probably not considered a sin. But that doesn't mean it is healthy or wise. We might put it up there with matters like eating crapping food, etc.

If it's not helpful (say, to correct for damage from injury), or worse, to elevate vanity and superficiality, then it will likely be looked down upon by God. It doesn't have to be a "sin" to bring disappointment to him.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:44 AM
 
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It's probably not considered a sin. But that doesn't mean it is healthy or wise. We might put it up there with matters like eating crapping food, etc.

If it's not helpful (say, to correct for damage from injury), or worse, to elevate vanity and superficiality, then it will likely be looked down upon by God. It doesn't have to be a "sin" to bring disappointment to him.
Ok, I have another theological question.

Some Christians justify damnation and eternal torment in hell to transgressing against God’s will. The thought as I understand it is that God is a perfect being, and any sin is infinitely offensive to a perfect being, and also being perfectly just eternal punishment is warranted for an infinitely offensive crime.

What is the difference between sin and disappointment? If God is infinitely perfect and infinitely just, wouldn’t he also not see a distinction between disapointment and sin?

I realize that you may not be the type of Christian that believes in this particular doctrine, but I would be interested in having anybody who does believe this respond.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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I am proud of how I look, yet I do not look down on others.

I do ask why a god would make someone not attractive and socially inept so that they have problems finding a partner. Is that also part of your gods divine plan?
I suppose pride does have to be considered....


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Old 10-02-2018, 10:08 AM
 
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I don’t see why that plan must contain free will. Even so, that is irrelevant, isn’t it? As posed by the OP, isn’t the excercise of free will inherently sinful, because any change from the way god has planned things is challenging his plan?
Free will is relevant because we are not inanimate objects.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:47 AM
 
Location: planet earth
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As Mensa said, where do you draw the line on this?

Are body builders sinners because they work hard to grow muscle, or are non-body builders sinners because they do not?

Are ballerinas sinners because of the damage they do to their feet, or football players sinners because of the abuse their bodies take?

Am I a sinner because I wear glasses? Didn’t your god intend for me to see the world in a fuzzy manner?

How about oncologists? Are they sinners because they cut cancer out of a body? After all, god put the cancer there in the first place.

The premise of this thread is ludicrous, and a great example of why some atheists view religion to be harmful.
I answered each example, but my entire post was deleted because I highlighted in the wrong color.

Anyway, the question was specifically about ELECTIVE COSMETIC SURGERY. Nothing else.
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Old 10-02-2018, 12:26 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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I answered each example, but my entire post was deleted because I highlighted in the wrong color.

Anyway, the question was specifically about ELECTIVE COSMETIC SURGERY. Nothing else.
The only difference between "elective cosmetic surgery" and pierced ears is one of degree. They are both nothing more than altering one's body for vanity.
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