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Then we get this convoluted statement that it no longer is politically correct to call Mormons, well, Mormons. The millions of dollars the Mormon church to promote Mormonism (what do we call it now?) since the 1920's is now no more, and they want to refer to the church by it's official name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, what do we call the faith? Mormonism is out, what replaces it, Latter-day Saintism? LDSism? Or some tongue twister?
I can't see this doing them any good, rejecting the current acceptance of gender diversity ( there's a nice specious - sounding epithet) and demanding that we call them by their entire title. I suggest 'That Other Lot' as an abbreviation.
I can't see this doing them any good, rejecting the current acceptance of gender diversity ( there's a nice specious - sounding epithet) and demanding that we call them by their entire title. I suggest 'That Other Lot' as an abbreviation.
Dallin Oaks is not one of my favorite LDS leaders. I'll begin by saying that. As a strong LGBT ally (most people on City-Data probably know that), I do everything I can to promote fellowship with my LGBT friends and members of the Church, so anything any of my Church's leaders say that might tend to marginalize anyone is hurtful to me. I didn't actually listen to that session of Conference (I was at a volunteer job at the time), but for those who may be interested in actually reading his exact words, here they are.
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Then we get this convoluted statement that it no longer is politically correct to call Mormons, well, Mormons. The millions of dollars the Mormon church to promote Mormonism (what do we call it now?) since the 1920's is now no more, and they want to refer to the church by it's official name, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. So, what do we call the faith? Mormonism is out, what replaces it, Latter-day Saintism? LDSism? Or some tongue twister?
About the name of the Church... This topic came up on the thread about Mormonism that was recently closed. I'll just say again what I said at that time. The official name of the Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." That is what it has been for 180 years. It has never been "The Mormon Church" or "The Church of the Latter-day Saints." As a matter of fact, if you were to look in a telephone directory (remember those?) or call directory assistance and ask for either of those two "churches" by name, you'd come up empty-handed. We believe that ours is Jesus Christ's church and that it is entirely reasonable to ask that people not drop the two words from the name of the Church that we consider to be the most important ones.
Yes, I realize that we brought a great deal of this upon ourselves. The Church institutes a huge advertising campaign called, "I'm a Mormon!" and then turns around a few years later and says, "Don't call us Mormons!" I can fully understand why people outside the Church are shaking their heads and saying, "What's up with that?" As far as I'm personally concerned, I prefer to be referred to as "LDS" (or as a Latter-day Saint) but I'm not going to be offended if you call me a "Mormon."
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Comments by Mormon member most welcome.
You mean comments by Katzpur (the one and only "Mormon") most welcome. Here we go again...
I'm not so sure any of this could be considered "turmoil," but whatever...
Dallin Oaks is not one of my favorite LDS leaders. I'll begin by saying that. As a strong LGBT ally (most people on City-Data probably know that), I do everything I can to promote fellowship with my LGBT friends and members of the Church, so anything any of my Church's leaders say that might tend to marginalize anyone is hurtful to me. I didn't actually listen to that session of Conference (I was at a volunteer job at the time), but for those who may be interested in actually reading his exact words, here they are.
Of course, his comments takes huge steps backwards, just when it seemed the church was actually slowly becoming more accepting. It almost feels like, "so much for trying to change it from the inside", doesn't it? Keep up the good fight though, seriously.
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About the name of the Church... This topic came up on the thread about Mormonism that was recently closed. I'll just say again what I said at that time. The official name of the Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." That is what it has been for 180 years. It has never been "The Mormon Church" or "The Church of the Latter-day Saints." As a matter of fact, if you were to look in a telephone directory (remember those?) or call directory assistance and ask for either of those two "churches" by name, you'd come up empty-handed. We believe that ours is Jesus Christ's church and that it is entirely reasonable to ask that people not drop the two words from the name of the Church that we consider to be the most important ones.
Yes, I realize that we brought a great deal of this upon ourselves. The Church institutes a huge advertising campaign called, "I'm a Mormon!" and then turns around a few years later and says, "Don't call us Mormons!" I can fully understand why people outside the Church are shaking their heads and saying, "What's up with that?" As far as I'm personally concerned, I prefer to be referred to as "LDS" (or as a Latter-day Saint) but I'm not going to be offended if you call me a "Mormon."
I'm going to bet that people both inside and outside the church will continue to use the word "Mormon", with perhaps "LDS" to a lesser degree. To me, it seems like a silly thing to make a big deal about by a leader of the church. It's like the Roman Catholic church being upset because most people refer to adherents and the organization by just "Catholic", as opposed to the full moniker.
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You mean comments by Katzpur (the one and only "Mormon") most welcome. Here we go again...
Shush! You weren't supposed to call me out on that.
I'm not so sure any of this could be considered "turmoil," but whatever...
Dallin Oaks is not one of my favorite LDS leaders. I'll begin by saying that. As a strong LGBT ally (most people on City-Data probably know that), I do everything I can to promote fellowship with my LGBT friends and members of the Church, so anything any of my Church's leaders say that might tend to marginalize anyone is hurtful to me. I didn't actually listen to that session of Conference (I was at a volunteer job at the time), but for those who may be interested in actually reading his exact words, here they are.
About the name of the Church... This topic came up on the thread about Mormonism that was recently closed. I'll just say again what I said at that time. The official name of the Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." That is what it has been for 180 years. It has never been "The Mormon Church" or "The Church of the Latter-day Saints." As a matter of fact, if you were to look in a telephone directory (remember those?) or call directory assistance and ask for either of those two "churches" by name, you'd come up empty-handed. We believe that ours is Jesus Christ's church and that it is entirely reasonable to ask that people not drop the two words from the name of the Church that we consider to be the most important ones.
Yes, I realize that we brought a great deal of this upon ourselves. The Church institutes a huge advertising campaign called, "I'm a Mormon!" and then turns around a few years later and says, "Don't call us Mormons!" I can fully understand why people outside the Church are shaking their heads and saying, "What's up with that?" As far as I'm personally concerned, I prefer to be referred to as "LDS" (or as a Latter-day Saint) but I'm not going to be offended if you call me a "Mormon."
You mean comments by Katzpur (the one and only "Mormon") most welcome. Here we go again...
I do have a feeling that 'Mormon' is never really respectful. I suppose it comes from having a Book of Mormon instead of a Book Of Jesus Christ's Latter Day saints. At the same time I can imagine that the Vatican may be a bit miffed, because they have a whole roster of Latter day Saints and don't recognise a single one of the LDS Church.
I'm willing to meet them half -way and shorten it to LDS, but if that ain't good enough for them, them they can put up with Mormon. After all, they can pass whatever resolutions they like, but they don't have any influence over me whatsoever.
I do have a feeling that 'Mormon' is never really respectful. I suppose it comes from having a Book of Mormon instead of a Book Of Jesus Christ's Latter Day saints. At the same time I can imagine that the Vatican may be a bit miffed, because they have a whole roster of Latter day Saints and don't recognise a single one of the LDS Church.
I'm assuming you're just being flippant in your reference to the Vatican being miffed, but just in case you're even marginally serious, I should mention that the word "saint" in the Bible was used to describe any follower of Jesus Christ, and not some individual who performed a pre-determined number of miracles, thereby earning himself the title of "Saint Whatever."
"Mormon" started out as an extremely derisive term, back in the 1830s. It was used solely by those who despised us. We did not apply it to ourselves. We got that nickname, of course, because of our belief in "The Book of Mormon." I think that, over time, we just got used to it, then accepted it, and finally embraced it. Apparently, President Nelson feels that we have never have gotten to the point where we referred to ourselves by a term invented by the people who drove our ancestors out of their homes and out of the United States entirely.
I get it, but I do believe he's being unrealistic to expect us to all of a sudden do something that it was supposedly fine to do just over a month ago. When the Church encourages its members to submit their own personal stories and testimonies to a website called "I'm a Mormon!" and then turns around and says that whenever we use that term, it's a victory for Satan, it's genuinely frustrating to everyone concerned.
I do volunteer work at the Salt Lake City Visitors' Center. In other words, I give tourists maps, tell them how to find places they're interested in seeing, provide recommendations for good restaurants and tell them where they can buy a new charger for their iPhone. When someone comes in and says, "We'll be here for two days. What should we see?" I always recommend Temple Square. If they're from the U.S., that's all I need to say. If they're from some places in the world, I may need to explain what Temple Square is. If that's the case, I'll say, "Temple Square is where the headquarters of the LDS Church are located." I never say, "the Mormon Church." But in saying the "LDS Church," that's essentially the same as saying "The Church of the Latter-day Saints." That's inaccurate because we believe it to be "the Church of Jesus Christ." So last Saturday, when I found myself in the position of explaining what Temple Square was, I said, "Temple Square is where the headquarters of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are located." It was awkward and I felt kind of silly saying it.
My understanding of President Nelson's request is that he is asking that when the Church is mentioned in an interview or news article, the full, correct, official name of the Church be used when it is first identified, and that in subsequent mentions, the words, "the Church" would be acceptable.
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I'm willing to meet them half -way and shorten it to LDS, but if that ain't good enough for them, them they can put up with Mormon. After all, they can pass whatever resolutions they like, but they don't have any influence over me whatsoever.
I'm willing to be reasonable, if they are.
Well, I don't suppose you interact with all that many of us or even have much occasion to discuss our Church outside of this forum. So as far as I'm concerned, LDS is fine. And I don't really even have an issue with being called a Mormon. It's always kind of bugged me to see the Church called "The Mormon Church" or even "The Church of the Latter-day Saints," but it's certainly not something I'm going to lie awake stressing out over.
I simply do not understand this ragging on the LDS Church. They follow Jesus Christ and like every other Christian group they have their own interpretations and dogma none of which matter one iota to Jesus or God.
I simply do not understand this ragging on the LDS Church. They follow Jesus Christ and like every other Christian group they have their own interpretations and dogma none of which matter one iota to Jesus or God.
I don't think in this case it is ragging on the church, but thinking of "how weird" for the church to make it an issue. I mean for almost a century, they describe themselves as "Mormon", and now satan is the cause?
I simply do not understand this ragging on the LDS Church. They follow Jesus Christ and like every other Christian group they have their own interpretations and dogma none of which matter one iota to Jesus or God.
Whenever people get the "I'm shaking my finger at you" vibe, there's going to be push-back.
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there's a nice specious - sounding epithet) and demanding that we call them by their entire title. I suggest 'That Other Lot' as an abbreviation.
Mormon turmoil from General Conference.
