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Except this came from Constantinople, not the Crimea. So it is probably both.
You mean the state mandated wearing of pants by power mad dictators, some of whom were atheists.
Stalin, Mao, Hitler.
Remember, Stalin went to a Jesuit seminary in his youth, and used the Orthodox church to drive his agenda from the 1940's towards his death. Hitler was a beast, but he was a Catholic beast, not an atheist.
C'mon, man, why does this kind of ignorance persist?
Hitler was nowhere near atheism and staunchly believed in God and Jesus ... it's just that Hitler believed in a warrior Jesus, not the love and compassion Jesus.
He constantly referenced God in his speeches. He constantly referenced God in Mein Kampf. He consistenly gave credit to God when he survived various assassination attempts. He believed he was chosen by God. He believed Germany was "under God," just like another stupidly religious country we know, and on and on and on.
He even got the idea of the swastika from the church he used to attend when he was growing up; there was a swastika above one of the archways leading in and out of the place and he would sit and stare at it during sermons.
In addition, the Nazi Party itself was a religious cult run by Heinrich Himmler that blended elements of Christianity and Norse mythology together to form what they thought was a religion that was uniquely German. Hitler was actually considered the "high priest" of Naziism by the SS.
So let's not go there regarding Hitler being an atheist.
I'd also argue that even Mao and Stalin, while more than likely atheists, were not really atheist leaders. In other words, their policies were not influenced at all by atheism but by simple lust for power and egomania. Most dictators tend to despise religion not because of atheism, but because they fear religion as a direct threat to their position of power. They want their people to have only one master -- and that master must be the dictator, not some god whose teachings might conflict with what the dictator wants.
I also think it's rather disingenuous for people to always use the worst dictators to use as models for an atheistic society. Not only is it factually incorrect, it's deceitful.
Because today there are quite a number of secular societies in Europe/Scandinavia where atheism is the majority religious affiliation that are much better places to live than America -- which is watching it's freedoms and democracy circle the drain. And a significant reason *why* the US is doomed as a free nation is because of religion and its inherent authoritarian and dictatorial ideology.
I also find it quite odd, as well as disgustinly hypocritical, to condemn people like Mao and Stalin for killing a lot of people while simultaneously defending to the point of irrationality their God, who killed more people than either Mao or Stalin could ever hope to kill. The vast majority of them were innocents.
C'mon, man, why does this kind of ignorance persist?
Hitler was nowhere near atheism and staunchly believed in God and Jesus ... it's just that Hitler believed in a warrior Jesus, not the love and compassion Jesus.
He constantly referenced God in his speeches. He constantly referenced God in Mein Kampf. He consistenly gave credit to God when he survived various assassination attempts. He believed he was chosen by God. He believed Germany was "under God," just like another stupidly religious country we know, and on and on and on.
He even got the idea of the swastika from the church he used to attend when he was growing up; there was a swastika above one of the archways leading in and out of the place and he would sit and stare at it during sermons.
In addition, the Nazi Party itself was a religious cult run by Heinrich Himmler that blended elements of Christianity and Norse mythology together to form what they thought was a religion that was uniquely German. Hitler was actually considered the "high priest" of Naziism by the SS.
So let's not go there regarding Hitler being an atheist.
I'd also argue that even Mao and Stalin, while more than likely atheists, were not really atheist leaders. In other words, their policies were not influenced at all by atheism but by simple lust for power and egomania. Most dictators tend to despise religion not because of atheism, but because they fear religion as a direct threat to their position of power. They want their people to have only one master -- and that master must be the dictator, not some god whose teachings might conflict with what the dictator wants.
I also think it's rather disingenuous for people to always use the worst dictators to use as models for an atheistic society. Not only is it factually incorrect, it's deceitful.
Because today there are quite a number of secular societies in Europe/Scandinavia where atheism is the majority religious affiliation that are much better places to live than America -- which is watching it's freedoms and democracy circle the drain. And a significant reason *why* the US is doomed as a free nation is because of religion and its inherent authoritarian and dictatorial ideology.
I also find it quite odd, as well as disgustinly hypocritical, to condemn people like Mao and Stalin for killing a lot of people while simultaneously defending to the point of irrationality their God, who killed more people than either Mao or Stalin could ever hope to kill. The vast majority of them were innocents.
Sorry, I should have wrote that better.
That was a list of power mad dictators who wore trousers, only some of whom were atheists. Stalin and Mao.
As I have written before, Hitler was a Christian although not orthodox.
As to Mao and Stalin, you make my point for me. Their policies were not a product of their atheism as it was not a product of them wearing trousers. Following that cüm hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, the fact that Stalin was responsible for killing Christians, atheists, soldiers, politicians and artists must mean he was also a religious atheist who was a pacifist anarchist and the worse type of art critic ever.
Remember, Stalin went to a Jesuit seminary in his youth, and used the Orthodox church to drive his agenda from the 1940's towards his death. Hitler was a beast, but he was a Catholic beast, not an atheist.
You mean the state mandated wearing of pants by power mad dictators (Stalin, Mao, Hitler), some of whom were atheists (Stalin, Mao).
You mean the state mandated wearing of pants by power mad dictators (Stalin, Mao, Hitler), some of whom were atheists (Stalin, Mao).
This is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion.
Well I'm glad that you weren't trying to spread the very common lie that Hitler was an atheist -- and that Stalin's and Mao's policies were a direct result of atheism.
But I'm still a bit confused -- what do you mean by "state mandated wearing of pants" and the trouser thing?
Don't worry, I'm not baiting a trap for you with this question, I honestly don't know.
Well I'm glad that you weren't trying to spread the very common lie that Hitler was an atheist -- and that Stalin's and Mao's policies were a direct result of atheism.
But I'm still a bit confused -- what do you mean by "state mandated wearing of pants" and the trouser thing?
Don't worry, I'm not baiting a trap for you with this question, I honestly don't know.
Stalin and Mao had noses, wore pants, were atheists, had hair, wore uniforms, were power mad dictators, yet people cherry pick their atheism. Which is as bad as picking the fact they both wore trousers.
My point was that correlation does not imply causation, the cüm hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. They, like the religious Hitler attacked any group that was a threat to their power.
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