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if some powerful force enabled me to do as i please without consequences, i wouldnt do it
i wouldnt do it because i have a moral compass that prevents me from taking advantage of somone else
note: i am not perfect or self righteous
one doesnt need religion or spitrituality to have s moral compass.
my moral compass is aligned to what is taught in the new testament . so when i became a believer it reaffirmed the things that were already morally relevant to me.
if you were enabled to do whatever, would you quell your moral compass and proceed?
What you are talking about is Human ethics and morality, which we all follow, even where it conflicts with religion, and when the Morality changes, religion tries to fight it, grudgingly gives in and then later claims it for God.
This is why the religious know that, even though they accuse atheists of running around raping, killing, stealing, raping, vandalizing, littering, raping, smoking in pubic areas, raping, and raping, they know that we don't do it, and neither would they, if they Lost Faith. Because they use the same Moral Code that atheists do.
What do you mean by "without consequence"? That doesn't compute in my mind, because everything we do has consequences, even if it's only internally … maybe especially internally.
What do you mean by "without consequence"? That doesn't compute in my mind, because everything we do has consequences, even if it's only internally … maybe especially internally.
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without moral consequence. assuming that one has morals which could also condone their behavior
there was a study that correlated lying with adverse health
there was also a study that correlated forgiveness with beneficial health
so i guess morAl consequence if those are in fact the individual's morals. it is blatant that people do not share the same morals
to start, you are making a generalization of theist
second, you are assuming that all believer think and believe the same thing.
third, you are making an assumption of how i regard atheist
it is interesting to note that i used to be an agnostic---not that my new adherence to a god makes me special or self righteously moral,
a person does not need religion to have or acquire a moral compass
excuse cell phone grammar
I am not pointing the finger at you, particularly, but of an argument that I have seen many times - that atheism leads to an absence of morality. This does not actually fits the facts. I have also seen many claims that Christians would not lose morality in that way if they lost their Faith - if you want to claim that you would, be my guest - and that they do not try to be moral to get into heaven or to earn Brownie - points with God, but because it's the right thing to do.
Thus they use the same moral basis that atheists do. Obviously I can't canvass every theist in the US, but I can generalise about those I have seen posting. If any of them want to say that they would run amok if they lost Godfaith, or that they are acting Morally just to please God, I'm sure we would all love to hear from them.
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Originally Posted by spiros7
without moral consequence. assuming that one has one which could also condone their behavior
there was a study that correlated lying with adverse health
there was also a study that correlated forgiveness with beneficial health
so i guess morAl consequence if those are in fact the individual's morals. it is blatant that people do not share the same morals
if some powerful force enabled me to do as i please without consequences, i wouldnt do it
i wouldnt do it because i have a moral compass that prevents me from taking advantage of somone else
note: i am not perfect or self righteous
one doesnt need religion or spitrituality to have s moral compass.
my moral compass is aligned to what is taught in the new testament . so when i became a believer it reaffirmed the things that were already morally relevant to me.
if you were enabled to do whatever, would you quell your moral compass and proceed?
Most people have a moral compass which they follow most of the time. If they did not, maintaining an ordered society would be impossible.
I do not believe in the existence of a supreme Being. Therefore I do not believe that there are absolute moral standards set down from on high by a supreme Being. The God of the Bible is a moral monster, in any event. I can see that living within an ordered society benefits my long term survival, however. To that end I can also see that treating others the way I would prefer that they treat me works to my own best interest.
It's called the golden rule, and the concept of the golden rule is far older than either Jesus, or Judaism. The golden rule is the moral compass that most people instinctively adhere to most of the time.
This is similar to 'The Purge' movies...interestingly, in these movies, where all crime is legal for 12 hours, majority of the people focus on murder! I think if this happened in real life, many more people would be focusing on THEFT, money, electronics, drugs, cars, etc etc.
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