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Originally Posted by Richard1965
My point was that they may have been responsible for the condition of the availability of the video in order to add weight to their claim of being censored...You are not a deep thinker, are you?
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Your personal insults only let you down not me - as I said you really need to keep up. The people who's video I watched which was censored were not the ones claiming to have been censored. How could they be? The video I watched was recorded _before_ it was censored. Are you even trying to make sense? You certainly are not in a position to be commenting on the depth of thought of anyone else when your depth of thought appears to be based entirely on making stuff up.
No - there was no one in the video claiming to have been censored or that they themselves were being censored. Nor did I say there was. You simply made that up out of nowhere - and then used your invention to pretend there is something wrong with my thinking on the matter.
To correct you _Again_ therefore. The people being interviewed in the video claim that places like You Tube is censoring the videos and data that support anti-semitic claims. They then go on after that to claim that A) Their realization that the Jews are bad came from watching videos on you tube and B) they still cite and link to those videos when trying to support those claims because the videos are still there, uncensored.
And they seem happy to massively contradict themselves in this way without - seemingly - even noticing having done it. But since they are the kind of people who also believe 9-11 was an inside job - nasa are hiding alien dead bodies in Area 51 - and that many humans are actually lizard people in human disguise - this is hardly surprising is it?
To repeat this a third time to hammer it home - you are conflating the censoring of _this_ video I am speaking of with the entirely separate and unconnected claims of censorship _within_ the video which were claims of _other_ people being censored and not the claims that anyone in the video was themselves censored. They are two entirely different things and your error in conflating them is a failure on your part - yet you pretend it is one on mine - and you would do well to learn the differences.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
The other reply is that, even though a Jew converts to another religion that Jew does not get kicked out of the family and end up “burning in Hell forever” like some other religions claim if one leaves their religion...Thatvone is still considered a Jew, albeit a wayward one...
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And as I said that is a great way to attract ire towards your group. If someone does not want to identify as part of a group - but that group claims them any way - then rightly they attract ire for that. But the Jews are in no ways unique in this as I said. Recently the Mormons and the Catholics have been the most egregious examples of it. The former claiming people after they are dead and so can not protest - and the latter literally changing canon law itself to close a rule that was allowing formal defection from the religion.
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Originally Posted by Richard1965
Jewishness is passed maternally not the religion...
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In your opinion. That is not an opinion that is globally shared however. Go talk to someone of Karaite Judaism sometime for example. While some have also changed halakhic requirements so that a child of any Jewish parent - regardless of gender - can claim a Jewish identity.
And - more importantly I feel - such a child who does not claim Jewish identity under this reform is considered to have forfeited his/her Jewish identity.
So this need to claim people as Jewish who do not claim it themselves - or who claim it is only and solely maternal in nature - are not the sole and only opinion or approach out there. So let us stop pretending they are.
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Originally Posted by Kavalier
It's not about "claiming" anyone. DNA tests today indicate JEWISH BLOOD in their searches.
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Sure - I have always wondered what is "Jewish blood" exactly? My Grandparents were catholic. Do I have "catholic blood"?
As I said claiming people to be in a group when the people being claimed do not want to be in that group is going to attract ire. Pretending that a _culture or religion_ is passed genetically is going to be an example of that. If your blood shows you are the descendent of someone who was Jewish - great. They are part of a lineage and no one has an issue with that.
Claiming that makes them themselves anything _but_ related to someone who was Jewish though - not so much. That is where the nonsense starts. This conflation of bloodlines with religion and culture is not unique with the Jewish religion but it is certainly not as common as other religious trends and I think it is a poor and dangerous move to be making.
We are related by descent to people who believed all kinds of complete nonsense and had all kinds of unusual cultures. Why pick one specific example of evidence devoid nonsense and claim it is passed somehow genetically - when all the rest was not. This has never made sense to me. A strong distinction needs to be drawn between the religion of a person now - and the religion his ancestors happened to have.
If they want to do that internally however - even if I think it is nonsense - then more power to them. I neither care nor am concerned about it. My concern lies with the people who say _themselves_ that _they_ do not follow or identify in that way. If someone tells me they are not Jewish - then I am fine with that. If someone _else_ tells me "no hang on, they are" well I know where they can put their opinions.
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Oh, she married an anglicised Irish catholic and they brought me up as a census Christian, which means that we Did (Anglican) religion, but didn't believe a word of it.