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Old 11-13-2018, 08:17 AM
 
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If God was going to create a universe
I don't believe he would create a universe like ours.

God would create a universe that was doubling in volume every generation so that there would always be room and food enough for all the hungry mouths. Animals would neither need to, nor be able to, eat each other. Injured animals would regenerate.

And that's not even considering things like the plague or floods or hurricanes.

Our universe is Tiny.
Starting with 2 people and doubling the population every 100 years would in only 27,000 years result in enough people to completely fill the observable universe 

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Old 11-13-2018, 08:41 AM
 
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I thought the universe was expanding. Even if it isn't, I have a hunch it's big enough to accommodate a few gazillion more entities.
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:51 AM
 
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Our universe is Tiny. 
Uh huh
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Old 11-13-2018, 08:56 AM
 
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If God was going to create a universe
I don't believe he would create a universe like ours.

God would create a universe that was doubling in volume every generation so that there would always be room and food enough for all the hungry mouths. Animals would neither need to, nor be able to, eat each other. Injured animals would regenerate.

And that's not even considering things like the plague or floods or hurricanes.


Our universe is Tiny.
Starting with 2 people and doubling the population every 100 years would in only 27,000 years result in enough people to completely fill the observable universe 



I think you are talking about the earth, not the universe.


There is plenty of room in the universe. And double it? The universe is most likely already infinite. It's about 46 billion light years to the edge of the observable universe. 'Observable' being the operative word from our vantage point. If you could travel to the edge, you'd probably see a similar universe in all directions.




I kinda get your point though. Not a lot of point having all this room to move about when humans can't actually expand to live in it beyond our own earth.

Interesting thread.
You could have asked the question: "If you were god and could build a universe, what would you include?"

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Old 11-13-2018, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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And as I see it...glass as half full...the Creator things big....so big, He placed these 2 humans on Earth...
a teeny pair of lungs each and surrounded the entire planet with SO much oxygen it boggles the mind.


Why, if you held your thumb up to the sky...you'd be blocking 10,000 galaxies...
move it a foot....10,000 more straight out...ref Hubble telescope.


"The Disappearance of the Universe" and "The Holographic Universe" are fun books.
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:11 AM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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I think you are talking about the earth, not the universe.


There is plenty of room in the universe. And double it? The universe is most likely already infinite. It's about 4.6 billion light years to the edge of the observable universe. 'Observable' being the operative word from our vantage point. If you could travel to the edge, you'd probably see a similar universe in all directions.




I kinda get your point though. Not a lot of point having all this room to move about when humans can't actually expand to live in it beyond our own earth.

Interesting thread.
You could have asked the question: "If you were god and could build a universe, what would you include?"
You said the edge of the observable Universe is 4.6 billion light years away. Is that what you meant to say? Or did you mean to say 46 billion light years which is what it is actually estimated to be? Or actually about 45.7 billion light years.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/articl...able-universe/

If the Universe is indeed infinite, this would suggest according to some cosmologists, though not all agree, that since there are only a finite number of ways in which matter can combine, that there are an infinite number of parallel earths that are exactly identical to our earth, in which there are an infinite number of identical copies of ourselves, as well as an infinite number of earths which are nearly identical but have some differences.

Against;
''Francisco José Soler Gil at the University of Sevilla and Manuel Alfonseca at the Autonomous University of Madrid have looked at two different proposals – one based on classical cosmology and the other on quantum mechanics – that contend that we live in an infinite universe in which history is repeated an infinite number of times in space. They have picked apart both proposals and argue that both are highly speculative, despite often being presented as plausible ideas.''

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2013-01-dont-i...tists.html#jCp
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There are only 10⁸⁰ particles in the observable Universe, so that's much less than the possible configurations of matter in a cubic meter. If the Universe is truly infinite, if you travel outwards from Earth, eventually you will reach a place where there's a duplicate cubic meter of space. The further you go, the more duplicates you'll find.

Ooh, big deal, you think. One hydrogen pile looks the same as the next to me. Except, you hydromattecist, you'll pass through places where the configuration of particles will begin to appear familiar, and if you proceed long enough you'll find larger and larger identical regions of space, and eventually you'll find an identical you. And finding a copy of yourself is just the start of the bananas crazy things you can do in an infinite Universe.

In fact, hopefully you'll absorb the powers of an immortal version of you, because if you keep going you'll find an infinite number of yous. You'll eventually find entire duplicate observable universes with more yous also collecting other yous. And at least one of them is going to have a beard.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-03-univer...inite.html#jCp
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Old 11-13-2018, 10:15 AM
 
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You said the edge of the observable Universe is 4.6 billion light years away. Is that what you meant to say? Or did you mean to say 46 billion light years which is what it is actually estimated to be? Or actually about 45.7 billion light years.

Yes, typo, sorry.
Corrected.
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Old 11-13-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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Old 11-13-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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If God was going to create a universe
I don't believe he would create a universe like ours.

God would create a universe that was doubling in volume every generation so that there would always be room and food enough for all the hungry mouths. Animals would neither need to, nor be able to, eat each other. Injured animals would regenerate.

And that's not even considering things like the plague or floods or hurricanes.

Our universe is Tiny.
Starting with 2 people and doubling the population every 100 years would in only 27,000 years result in enough people to completely fill the observable universe 
I get it, but its just such an earth bound view. Humans deciding whats moral. I keep thinking of ants being all po-ed when one of there mates die all of sudden, all because we forgot our phone in the car and had to run back and get it.

maybe god is removing hunger as fast as it can. I mean, we genetically engineer a lot of things these days. What is stopping us from engineering human's? I see humans stopping us. If we followed the universes laws we could it a lot faster.
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Old 11-13-2018, 06:08 PM
 
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If God was going to create a universe
I don't believe he would create a universe like ours.

God would create a universe that was doubling in volume every generation so that there would always be room and food enough for all the hungry mouths. Animals would neither need to, nor be able to, eat each other. Injured animals would regenerate.

And that's not even considering things like the plague or floods or hurricanes.

Our universe is Tiny.
Starting with 2 people and doubling the population every 100 years would in only 27,000 years result in enough people to completely fill the observable universe 
Then the world and universe would never have an end. So what’s the point?

What you are saying essentially is, God would’ve created us and entered us straight into heaven.
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