Faith without any reason vs Faith without any evidence (Islam, pray, evolution)

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

that wasn't the question GoC. The question is:

generally speaking, Is it better to form a "faith statement' based on knowns or is it better to form a "statement of belief" based on unknowns?

What is best in teaching how people to form a statement of belief?

I use what i know, the 'periodic table', (it imply's a lot more than just the table itself), to claim that the system we are in is better described as "life" as apposed to "non life". Some theist are misrepresenting it and some fundy atheist are intentionally trying to hide that fact so it can't be used as a springboard. the latter is far more deceitful than the former. I cannot side with deceit, no matter what they believe.

did my wife "intellectually" create our children? Did you "intellectually" create your blood cells?

"create".

This should perhaps take us to the path of answering your question as underlined about.

You agree that the cells were created. correct?
To answer your question, NO, I did NOT intellectually create my blood cells.

But you have already agreed that the cells WERE created.

So the question goes back to you.
If I didn't, then who designed and created those blood cells?

[Arach Angle]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

"create".

This should perhaps take us to the path of answering your question as underlined about.

You agree that the cells were created. correct?
To answer your question, NO, I did NOT intellectually create my blood cells.

But you have already agreed that the cells WERE created.

So the question goes back to you.
If I didn't, then who designed and created those blood cells?

Don't know the answer to the grand reasons/how/why so back to my original statement

generally speaking, Is it better to form a "faith statement' based on knowns or is it better to form a "statement of belief" based on unknowns?

What is best in teaching how people to form a statement of belief? use comparisons to knowns? (measurements) or use comparisons to unknowns?

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

Knocking on one's door to extend a religious based agenda or even door to door business solicitation is sort of pushing it - and I don't support it.

Good.

[fishbrains]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

"create".

This should perhaps take us to the path of answering your question as underlined about.

You agree that the cells were created. correct?
To answer your question, NO, I did NOT intellectually create my blood cells.

But you have already agreed that the cells WERE created.

So the question goes back to you.
If I didn't, then who designed and created those blood cells?

They weren’t designed, they evolved. The weren’t created ex nihilism, they used physical processes and existing materials to grow.

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by fishbrains

They weren’t designed, they evolved. The weren’t created ex nihilism, they used physical processes and existing materials to grow.

So there is no design in how cells seem to appear to us?


And if you expand your theory, then your logic and intelligence must tell you that the entire universe and everything in it came together all by itself.

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by phetaroi

Because you post here continuously offering your christian viewpoint.

Hmmm, that’s an interesting one.
What is it that makes me a Christian?

[GoCardinals]

Originally Posted by Arach Angle

Don't know the answer to the grand reasons/how/why so back to my original statement

generally speaking, Is it better to form a "faith statement' based on knowns or is it better to form a "statement of belief" based on unknowns?

Gimme a couple of examples plz.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

Hmmm, that’s an interesting one.
What is it that makes me a Christian?

I have learned that you're not.
But you seem to be a religionist.

[Matadora]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

So there is no design in how cells seem to appear to us?

I’d like to know what experiments and tests have been proposed so that evidence of this intelligent design can be shown and measured?

[Harry Diogenes]

Originally Posted by GoCardinals

To answer the bold part: I don't think it's a problem that a person may want other people to believe in what he believes in.

However, some of the ways he acts on it, are not exactly right, IMO.

Finding God by his signs is a journey that one should take with a free choice. There is no compulsion.

Another sad way of making other people believe what one believes is, the way many Christian missioners work all around the world.

They reach out to people in dire staits due to war, hunger, poverty etc, and provide monetary help, food, medicine etc, in return of getting those poor people convert into Christianity. There are other wrong ways too, but I guess you got the point.

It is not very often I agree with you, but I do with the part in bold.