Faith without any reason vs Faith without any evidence (prayer, morality, blessing)

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by Rafius

"And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

So why are you getting a 'no'?

If you are making a claim of truth, then you need to support the claim.

I listened to a sermon once, and he talked about the verses seek and ye shall find, Ask and you will receive, knock and a door shall be opened.

He translated the knock and the door shall be opened to what he believed was the more correct, knock and a door shall be opened.

Ask, and you will receive. Not necessarily what you were asking for, but it will solve the problem.

I think there are sometimes translation errors, or maybe differences in philosophy.

I'm a HUGE believer in seek and ye shall find. You look for it, you will see it. Both in Christian topics, and secular topics.

Look for guidance, and you will get it. Right here, right now, a newspaper will be thrown at you and thunk into your forehead.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

I listened to a sermon once, and he talked about the verses seek and ye shall find, Ask and you will receive, knock and a door shall be opened.

He translated the knock and the door shall be opened to what he believed was the more correct, knock and a door shall be opened.

Ask, and you will receive. Not necessarily what you were asking for, but it will solve the problem.

I think there are sometimes translation errors, or maybe differences in philosophy.

Oh how convenient for you.

So do you think all the resurrection stories are mistranslated too?

Look for guidance, and you will get it. Right here, right now, a newspaper will be thrown at you and thunk into your forehead.

What the verse says is that if you ask for ANYTHING in prayer, it you will get it. Why are you getting the answer 'NO'?

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by Rafius

Oh how convenient for you.

So do you think all the resurrection stories are mistranslated too?

What the verse says is that if you ask for ANYTHING in prayer, it you will get it. Why are you getting the answer 'NO'?

Here's what I know.

And I've said this many times, so sorry to repeat myself repeat myself.

When I call on Yahweh my savior, Jesus of Nazareth, I get an answer and a door opens.

And I have no reason NOT to continue to do so, just as you would have no reason not to continue to ring doorbells just because you don't know the details of how a doorbell works specifically. *shrug* Someone answers the door.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

Here's what I know.

And I've said this many times, so sorry to repeat myself repeat myself.

When I call on Yahweh my savior, Jesus of Nazareth, I get an answer and a door opens.

And I have no reason NOT to continue to do so, just as you would have no reason not to continue to ring doorbells just because you don't know the details of how a doorbell works specifically. *shrug* Someone answers the door.

I don't think anyone is questioning your right to believe that.

[Rafius]

Originally Posted by ClaraC

My experience of getting quick answers to prayer (even if that answer is a definite no, ...

Originally Posted by ClaraC

When I call on Yahweh my savior, Jesus of Nazareth, I get an answer and a door opens.

The problem is that you implied that the answer is sometimes a 'definite NO' and that is contrary to what your man-god told you would happen.

It's clear enough...

"And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

Nowhere does it say..'Sometimes the answer might be no.'

[ClaraC]

Originally Posted by Rafius

The problem is that you implied that the answer is sometimes a 'definite NO' and that is contrary to what your man-god told you would happen.

It's clear enough...

"And whatever you ask in prayer, you will receive, if you have faith.”

Nowhere does it say..'Sometimes the answer might be no.'

Yes, sometimes the answer is a definite NO.

As in, a prayer, should I quit this job and take that one?

OR, dear lord, please make that puppy I really want at the shelter still available!!! NO, and then next week it turns out your grandma dies and they need someone to take her beloved little dog, and there you are, with this fabulous little dog you are happy to have, and wouldn't have been able to do it if you'd adopted the puppy you so wanted. And you're able to do that for your grandma, who you so loved. It's better. Richer than you wanted before.

No, on the shelter puppy. Hang on a bit, wait for this blessing.

Like the song, Thank God for Unanswered Prayers. Christians say of that song - Thank God for sometimes getting a "no" on what you want right then.

[TRANSPONDER]

This is still taking what just Happens and reading some God -plan into it. If you believe that - it's your choice. But it has no explanatory power.

[MysticPhD]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

This is still taking what just Happens and reading some God -plan into it. If you believe that - it's your choice. But it has no explanatory power.

As if you do not just take what happens and read some question-begging "No God" plan into it using your euphemistic label "natural" that has no explanatory power.

[GldnRule]

Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER

This is still taking what just Happens and reading some God -plan into it. If you believe that - it's your choice. But it has no explanatory power.

Originally Posted by MysticPhD

As if you do not just take what happens and read some question-begging "No God" plan into it using your euphemistic label "natural" that has no explanatory power.

Whatever happens (or has happened) anywhere, anytime...it is by and through God. No other way it can be.

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by GldnRule

Whatever happens (or has happened) anywhere, anytime...it is by and through God. No other way it can be.

So all the evil in the world was and is done by god.

Thank you.