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Old 03-13-2019, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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The lowest Age of Consent in the world is 11, in Nigeria. The age of consent is 12 in the Philippines and Angola, and 13 in Burkina Faso, Comoros, Niger, and Japan.

Apart from Japan (no doubt they have their reasons) the lowest are in those places with a good, strong, religious morality. God bless 'em.
Yep. Like the Vatican City, where the age of consent was recently raised from 12 to 16.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:49 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Yep. Like the Vatican City, where the age of consent was recently raised from 12 to 16.
Why? They seek neither marriage nor consent.
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Old 03-13-2019, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Why? They seek neither marriage nor consent.
Quite so old sprout. One must wonder why there should even be an age of consent in a place where they are all supposed to be celebrate. Mind you, it wasn't long ago that Spain raised it's AoC from 13 to 16. 13 is quite low for a modern European country.
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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Quite so old sprout. One must wonder why there should even be an age of consent in a place where they are all supposed to be celebrate. Mind you, it wasn't long ago that Spain raised it's AoC from 13 to 16. 13 is quite low for a modern European country.
In Canada, the age of consent is 16, however there are a bunch of exceptions.

There are two close in age exemptions. One allows a minor aged 12 or 13 to consent to sexual congress with an individual less than two years older. The other allows 14 and 16 year olds to consent to partners less than 5 years older.

The age of consent is raised to 18 when the older party is in a position of trust or authority over the other, the younger party is in a relationship of dependency with the owner, or if the relationship is exploitative.
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Old 03-13-2019, 07:41 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Interesting. I once mentioned that society is in denial about child sexuality. It was like in the old days "Don't Do It" was considered the answer to all sex - questions. Adult predators (nice pejorative word - but not too far off) is another matter, but some wiggle -room and at least recognising impulses that are actually there can't be bad.

Anyway. I'm sure this is getting off -topic.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:19 PM
 
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In Canada, the age of consent is 16, however there are a bunch of exceptions.

There are two close in age exemptions. One allows a minor aged 12 or 13 to consent to sexual congress with an individual less than two years older. The other allows 14 and 16 year olds to consent to partners less than 5 years older.

The age of consent is raised to 18 when the older party is in a position of trust or authority over the other, the younger party is in a relationship of dependency with the owner, or if the relationship is exploitative.
"Age of Consent" laws are a very good example of how subjective and arbitrary "moral codes" and laws that support them really are.
I know of a case where a very promiscuous hottie 16 year old high school girl, that had a score of partners and had sex hundreds of times, set her sights on a 18 year old nerdy virgin guy that got a full scholarship to an Ivy League school. She fully admitted that she wanted to get pregnant by him so she could live as the partner of a guy who was the son of well-to-do Drs, and was going to be a Dr himself.
He had never had sex before and she seduced him. Yet they still busted him as a rapist based upon the arbitrary and subjective "basis" that he was an "adult" and she was "underage".
For most of human history the vast majority of females were Mothers in their early teens. Were they all "raped"?
It was not long ago there were places that had a "Age of Consent" as low as 7 yrs old.
"Morality" is not objective.
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"Age of Consent" laws are a very good example of how subjective and arbitrary "moral codes" and laws that support them really are.
I know of a case where a very promiscuous hottie 16 year old high school girl, that had a score of partners and had sex hundreds of times, set her sights on a 18 year old nerdy virgin guy that got a full scholarship to an Ivy League school. She fully admitted that she wanted to get pregnant by him so she could live as the partner of a guy who was the son of well-to-do Drs, and was going to be a Dr himself.
He had never had sex before and she seduced him. Yet they still busted him as a rapist based upon the arbitrary and subjective "basis" that he was an "adult" and she was "underage".
For most of human history the vast majority of females were Mothers in their early teens. Were they all "raped"?
It was not long ago there were places that had a "Age of Consent" as low as 7 yrs old.
"Morality" is not objective.
Just out of curiosity, how and why was Mr Future Doctor 'busted'?
Did she get pregnant? Did she turn him in if he dumped her? Were they caught even though for maybe 'hundreds' of times she hadn't been?
Since you 'know' of this case or had you just 'heard it' the way we just did?
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Old 03-13-2019, 12:56 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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"Age of Consent" laws are a very good example of how subjective and arbitrary "moral codes" and laws that support them really are.
I know of a case where a very promiscuous hottie 16 year old high school girl, that had a score of partners and had sex hundreds of times, set her sights on a 18 year old nerdy virgin guy that got a full scholarship to an Ivy League school. She fully admitted that she wanted to get pregnant by him so she could live as the partner of a guy who was the son of well-to-do Drs, and was going to be a Dr himself.
He had never had sex before and she seduced him. Yet they still busted him as a rapist based upon the arbitrary and subjective "basis" that he was an "adult" and she was "underage".
For most of human history the vast majority of females were Mothers in their early teens. Were they all "raped"?
It was not long ago there were places that had a "Age of Consent" as low as 7 yrs old.
"Morality" is not objective.
It is certainly Relative - aside from 'what benefits humans' being the objective basis. I don't see that we disagree about this. The religious objection is that it is not good enough and God's laws (or whichever religion one espouses) are better. I disagree (a) because religions are (on evidence and reason) not true
(b) we apply human reasoning to the Laws of religion - if we khow what's good for us, anyway.

However, so far as i know you do not believe religions or their Rules. You are a Pantheist. If this gives us a better moral code, let's hear it.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:39 PM
 
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Just out of curiosity, how and why was Mr Future Doctor 'busted'?
Did she get pregnant? Did she turn him in if he dumped her? Were they caught even though for maybe 'hundreds' of times she hadn't been?
Since you 'know' of this case or had you just 'heard it' the way we just did?
It was many years ago...and I don't remember the full details. Not that it matters.
I was in the Army and a fellow soldier was worried about his Brother back home getting simlarly jammed up because he was, "seeing a girl that was *jailbait*"...and he told of this situation where a young fella got in big trouble.
I recall he said her previous partners were all fellow classmates that were her age, so there was no legal foul. I guess she was well known to be very promiscuous.
The virgin nerd kid turned 19 while she was still 16. I think she did get pregnant...which he explained was her desire.
But the law took over...and busted the boy for statutory rape due to their age difference. Evidently no consideration was given to her vast sexual experience, and his total naivete...and that she persued him. Just the subjective moral judgement that their age difference made him an evil rapist, and her a victim.
Again...it shows how subjective morality is.
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Old 03-13-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Which cultures condone murder outside of the law?
It wouldn't be "murder" if it was within the law..."murder" is a legal term.
We just "qualify" certain killing, through the law...so it isn't "murder".
Call it "war", "reproductive rights", etc...then you can kill millions without it being "murder", because the subjective laws say those killings are "legal". Not that the ones killed are any less dead.
All cultures have condoned killing.
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