There are diff types of believers as there are non-believers (soul, quote)
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And 'Fundy/ extremism' (directed against the atheism that is not only speaking out but has an agenda to drive religion from society) sounds convincing - to them, anyway, What we are trying to do is stop what we have being eradicated - a society based on humanist morals and validated evidence, and NOT on Faith -based supersition and the rule of One religion.This is in everyone's interests - even Christians.
May I repeat for others...what I believe you are saying...you really don't care if someone is religious 'in their own home', ha...it's when it becomes a desired agenda for our society.
And, may I say, in our government, then? Is that correct?
That certainly seems fair enough to ME!
May I repeat for others...what I believe you are saying...you really don't care if someone is religious 'in their own home', ha...it's when it becomes a desired agenda for our society.
And, may I say, in our government, then? Is that correct?
That certainly seems fair enough to ME!
It might seem that way. But if people are spending so much time discussing it, then there might be something more sinister in the anti-religious aim.
I'm a better person because of the hour a day I devote to worship, when I can. What am I supposed to think of people who would like to see that eradicated?
just as 'No God is a faith -claim'. Which of course it isn't,
Saying "There is no god" (if that's what you mean) certainly is every bit as much a "faith -claim" as saying there is one, given there is absolutely no evidence for the statement to be found anywhere. I'd join you in saying atheism is no religion, and atheists do not necessarily make the claim (or even believe) that there is no god. But when an atheist does make that claim, it's not based on any evidence at all.
It might seem that way. But if people are spending so much time discussing it, then there might be something more sinister in the anti-religious aim.
I'm a better person because of the hour a day I devote to worship, when I can.
What am I supposed to think of people who would like to see that eradicated?
That would be a shame (um, terrible and wrong!) if someone wanted to eradicate your right to worship an hour a day. I agree centering and focusing each day helps me!
It might seem that way. But if people are spending so much time discussing it, then there might be something more sinister in the anti-religious aim.
I'm a better person because of the hour a day I devote to worship, when I can. What am I supposed to think of people who would like to see that eradicated?
Just who do you think is trying to eradicate that??Sit there and devote 12 hours to it if you want.
Just,please, don't even begin to think it should obigate, in any way, other people in public places not designated as religious ones.
May I repeat for others...what I believe you are saying...you really don't care if someone is religious 'in their own home', ha...it's when it becomes a desired agenda for our society.
And, may I say, in our government, then? Is that correct?
That certainly seems fair enough to ME!
I don't even care if people are religious in their own temples. In fact it bothers me more that religious indoctrination of kiddies goes on in the home, but all we can do is try to make the case for irreligion at least, to the parents. And, yes, no religion in law, politics or education seems something desirable.
In fact it bothers me more that religious indoctrination of kiddies goes on in the home,
And in keeping with the spirit of this thread, would you also speak out against indoctrination of other kinds? Say, someone teaching their kid to be an atheist using very poor arguments/"evidence"?
You know what? I had to look up Sufism and Sikhism WAY more closely...Guru Nanak was way more Hindu than Muslim.
Thank you for correcting me.
It is difficult for an outsider to really understand the intricacies of a religion.
I see in my research I was not the only one confused.
Looks like you got it reversed again.
Guru Nanak was more of a Muslim/Sufi saint than a Hindu.
Looks like you got it reversed again.
Guru Nanak was more of a Muslim/Sufi saint than a Hindu.
He even went to Mecca to perform Hajj.
Glad you brought this up because i have been reading up on Sikhism...boy was I mistaken!!! Cuz I thought that, also...no more.
This is what I learned:
Sikhism is just as separate as any other religion from another...a major premise being ...sure it started in Northern India, sure Guru Nanak , the founder of Sikhism, was born into a Hindu family, but never adopted it for himself.
He rejected Hinduism because he rejected the Caste system...good for him!
Sikhs believe BIG time in One God...Ik Onkar, which is not a name.
Yes, Guru Nanak visited Mecca.
Never any mention of Allah, Mohammad, Krishna or Vishnu or Brahman.
" Guru Nanak Sahib and his successors had clarified it in unequivocal words:
We are neither Hindus nor Muslims (p. 1136)" Ref Guru Granth Sahib, their 'book'.
Glad you brought this up because i have been reading up on Sikhism...boy was I mistaken!!! Cuz I thought that, also...no more.
This is what I learned:
Sikhism is just as separate as any other religion from another...a major premise being ...sure it started in Northern India, sure Guru Nanak , the founder of Sikhism, was born into a Hindu family, but never adopted it for himself.
He rejected Hinduism because he rejected the Caste system...good for him!
Sikhs believe BIG time in One God...Ik Onkar, which is not a name.
Yes, Guru Nanak visited Mecca.
Never any mention of Allah, Mohammad, Krishna or Vishnu or Brahman.
" Guru Nanak Sahib and his successors had clarified it in unequivocal words:
We are neither Hindus nor Muslims (p. 1136)" Ref Guru Granth Sahib, their 'book'.
I don't know if you've heard of United Shades of America, a CNN series that highlights different subsections of society in the USA, but last year I caught his very interesting episode on the Sikh community that has been in northern California for more than a century.
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