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How can you explain how existence came into existence? The only logical answer is existence is uncaused. Yea of course we will never understand this FACT. It could have easily been Nothing from eternity past to Nothing today. But we see life around us and real things in the universe. When you think about it before we came into this world we were all gone forever and ever! God was the ONLY living thing from eternity past to eternity past. The fact that a Being like God exist is very disturbing...not only that..the fact that this being did not come from anywhere but was always in existence! Life is really a miracle when you think about it. Its not a accident. How can you explain eternity? Existence that has no beginning or end? That is mind boggling and scary. The only way i can think this is possible is that time cannot be tied with it. No matter how far you try to look for a beginning you will never find it.
Thats how i understand eternity and existence. You cannot point to a beginning to it. It if has no beginning then that means it has no end! Just think about if God had a beginning or was created then who created God? It would be a endless cycle! In other words that is impossible..because you have to keep searching for who was first! But you still have a problem..who caused the first? Thats why God is uncaused and has no origin. He is existence itself. His presence can be felt everywhere and seen.
How can you explain how existence came into existence? The only logical answer is existence is uncaused. Yea of course we will never understand this FACT. It could have easily been Nothing from eternity past to Nothing today. But we see life around us and real things in the universe. When you think about it before we came into this world we were all gone forever and ever! God was the ONLY living thing from eternity past to eternity past. The fact that a Being like God exist is very disturbing...not only that..the fact that this being did not come from anywhere but was always in existence! Life is really a miracle when you think about it. Its not a accident. How can you explain eternity? Existence that has no beginning or end? That is mind boggling and scary. The only way i can think this is possible is that time cannot be tied with it. No matter how far you try to look for a beginning you will never find it.
Thats how i understand eternity and existence. You cannot point to a beginning to it. It if has no beginning then that means it has no end! Just think about if God had a beginning or was created then who created God? It would be a endless cycle! In other words that is impossible..because you have to keep searching for who was first! But you still have a problem..who caused the first? Thats why God is uncaused and has no origin. He is existence itself. His presence can be felt everywhere and seen.
I once heard an interesting idea;
Before "creation", there was God. God was everything.
Therefore to create the heavens and the earth, God needed to withdraw from that which was to be created, otherwise creation would be God.
The heavens God must be talking about must be the physical heavens that we can see visibly. If God inhabited heaven forever why did he need to create a place he is already in? That means God is beyond what we see in the physical universe of billions upon billion of planets. Gods place of dwelling has to be something that we could never imagine if we tried. And whatever that place is...it did not come from anywhere but was always there. That is very strange but thats what makes God who he is..we will never understand how great and powerful he really is.
Its really a beach to explain my views on the universe outside the concept of time. Some people just find it impossible to imagine a place where the arrow of time does not exist.
Its really a beach to explain my views on the universe outside the concept of time. Some people just find it impossible to imagine a place where the arrow of time does not exist.
How can you explain how existence came into existence? The only logical answer is existence is uncaused. Yea of course we will never understand this FACT. It could have easily been Nothing from eternity past to Nothing today. But we see life around us and real things in the universe. When you think about it before we came into this world we were all gone forever and ever! God was the ONLY living thing from eternity past to eternity past. The fact that a Being like God exist is very disturbing...not only that..the fact that this being did not come from anywhere but was always in existence! Life is really a miracle when you think about it. Its not a accident. How can you explain eternity? Existence that has no beginning or end? That is mind boggling and scary. The only way i can think this is possible is that time cannot be tied with it. No matter how far you try to look for a beginning you will never find it.
Thats how i understand eternity and existence. You cannot point to a beginning to it. It if has no beginning then that means it has no end! Just think about if God had a beginning or was created then who created God? It would be a endless cycle! In other words that is impossible..because you have to keep searching for who was first! But you still have a problem..who caused the first? Thats why God is uncaused and has no origin. He is existence itself. His presence can be felt everywhere and seen.
REPLY: The Law of Causality states : 'Anything which begins to exist , must have a Cause' . Modern science thru the 2nd law of thermodynamics, the radiation echo, and the expanding universe ...all prove that the Universe had at one time, a beginning. It therefore came from nothing then began to exist. The first finite thing (which the universe is), had to have had an INfinite cause. Further, the universe IS sustained by over 250 scientifically confirmed razor edge physics parameters which are all needed , simultaneouly, for it to exist , for earth to exist, and for us to exist on earth. If this doesnt look like willful design and engineering which can only come from a highly intelligent willful mind at work, then i dont know what is. If you refuse an intelligent personal Creator for this personal Universe, then you are left with the leftovers from the Big bang (rocks, dirt, planets, and hydrogen gas) being directly responsible for these 250 plus physics parameters. In other words, design always implies, a Designer. And a Designer always has to be a Person. The Creator (God) does not need a Cause because HE IS the INfinite Cause which brought the universe into existence fully operational , and only FINITE things require a Cause.
You can imagine just how powerful and majestic the Creator is when you consider this, cant you ? He is awesome beyond imagination. Yet he is so personal that he made you in his image for a personal relationship with him which he wants to last into eternity WITH him . He leaves that choice up to all of us , and i hope one day soon that you will take him up on his invitation to experience this real relationship which is the very purpose of ones life on earth. What could be higher or more important ? Certainly not rejecting him so we can live life as we want due to pride , rebellion, and arrogance . He made a way to be reconciled to himself and that is thru sending his Son, Jesus Christ, as a substitute death sacrifice for our many sins. To find Gods favor, one simply believes on this by faith according to the historical evidence , then 'recieves' Christ into his heart and life , then decides to live for him and with him. Its just that simple. Its a free underserved gift that is being offered only for a limited time. If you like things like astronomy, cosmology, and science....there is no greater experience than the Christian Life in which you truly see and witness God in. Regards.
It states that with infinite tornadoes and infinite junk yards a watch will eventually be built. As you so stated that the start of existence due to the Big Bang was of infinite possibilities your post supports mine and indeed in a case of infinite possibilities anything could happen; even a universe being made without an intelligent creator!
It states that with infinite tornadoes and infinite junk yards a watch will eventually be built. As you so stated that the start of existence due to the Big Bang was of infinite possibilities your post supports mine and indeed in a case of infinite possibilities anything could happen; even a universe being made without an intelligent creator!
Yes, I've read that book but that's not quite how it works. Creationists are always talking about the tornado in the junkyard whipping together a 727 or something along those lines. That shows a complete misunderstanding of evolution. Evolution is the accumulation of small changes over a very long period of time and not the sudden emergence of a complex living organism. These changes don't require any astronomical odds to occur but as change accumulates over millions of years from single celled life to the huge variety of species that exist today or have existed in the past it's confusing to people who don't understand evolution and how such a thing could happen.
It states that with infinite tornadoes and infinite junk yards a watch will eventually be built. As you so stated that the start of existence due to the Big Bang was of infinite possibilities your post supports mine and indeed in a case of infinite possibilities anything could happen; even a universe being made without an intelligent creator!
How... interesting.
As MG pointed out, its not how evolution works since we have NS making the proccess as a whole non-random. I also want to add that mathematically speaking not only would a watch be randomly made but given infinite amounts of time, an infinite amount of watches will be made. The god Einstein hates sure has a lot of watches
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How can you explain how existence came into existence? The only logical answer is existence is uncaused. Yea of course we will never understand this FACT. It could have easily been Nothing from eternity past to Nothing today. But we see life around us and real things in the universe. When you think about it before we came into this world we were all gone forever and ever! God was the ONLY living thing from eternity past to eternity past. The fact that a Being like God exist is very disturbing...not only that..the fact that this being did not come from anywhere but was always in existence! Life is really a miracle when you think about it. Its not a accident. How can you explain eternity? Existence that has no beginning or end? That is mind boggling and scary. The only way i can think this is possible is that time cannot be tied with it. No matter how far you try to look for a beginning you will never find it.
Thats how i understand eternity and existence. You cannot point to a beginning to it. It if has no beginning then that means it has no end! Just think about if God had a beginning or was created then who created God? It would be a endless cycle! In other words that is impossible..because you have to keep searching for who was first! But you still have a problem..who caused the first? Thats why God is uncaused and has no origin. He is existence itself. His presence can be felt everywhere and seen.
I have asked myself this same question but came to a very different conclusion. We have good evidence that the universe exists. So it must have either had a beginning or not had one and always existed. I tend to learn towards the idea that the universe has a beginning but I am open to either option.
As for God, we really have no evidence that he exist so we really don't need to come up explanations for his origin. Your second paragraph is a good argument against the existence of God, except for the last sentence which appears to not be true. If God's presence is felt and seen everywhere, then everyone would believe in him. The fact that atheists exist is evidence that God is not felt and seen everywhere i.e. his presence is not felt or seen in the immediate vicinity of atheists.
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