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Old 06-15-2019, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I doubt that because it's highly illegal and you know it.
If you believe that laws have eliminated hate, then you're terribly naive.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:44 PM
 
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If you believe that laws have eliminated hate, then you're terribly naive.
That's your excuse to smear innocent people?! Some people want nothing to do with others, but you do have the law on your side to force to them do so whether they like it or not.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That's your excuse to smear innocent people?! Some people want nothing to do with others, but you do have the law on your side to force to them do so whether they like it or not.
I really don't feel like arguing with you about the topic or my feelings.
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:06 PM
 
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I really don't feel like arguing with you about the topic or my feelings.
I know. You just want to throw out blanket statements as red meat and not apply the same standards to yourself.
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Old 06-15-2019, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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I know. You just want to throw out blanket statements as red meat and not apply the same standards to yourself.
Sorry, but I'm withdrawing permission for you to get under my skin.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:10 PM
 
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Default The Entire Universe Could NOT Hold God's Hatred For Non-Christians

For we who know that God IS love, the title is ironically revealing because Hate is the opposite of love so God's hate can NOT EXIST. It would be difficult to hold what does not exist anywhere in the universe.
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Old 06-16-2019, 02:59 AM
 
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For we who know that God IS love, the title is ironically revealing because Hate is the opposite of love so God's hate can NOT EXIST. It would be difficult to hold what does not exist anywhere in the universe.
hate is there. we cannot ignore that observation.

how can it not be part of your type of god?
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:02 AM
 
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In my case, I definitely acknowledge and have come to terms with the spiritual paradigm that my parents taught us which included the concepts of going to hell and possible eternal separation from God. It was definitely damaging and traumatic growing up. I have been that kid you see in 'Jesus Camp.' They dipped their toes in that kind of thing for awhile but have thankfully long gotten out of that. It took basically my entire twenties to heal from these damaging concepts. People were either saved or unsaved, going to heaven or going to hell. This caused me to feel very separate, alienated, distrustful, and even fearful of other people and fearful and separate from God.

To me, it was psychologically abusive and my subsequent spiritual experiences have me led to an understanding that we are extensions or individual forms of God/One Consciousness/Source. We originate from God/Source and we return back to God/Source upon physical death. God shows up in a multitude of forms including you and me and my experience has been that the two parts in oneself (human and 'God') can merge.

One of my greatest personal weaknesses is being too judgmental and unforgiving of others. I can hold onto grudges for WAY too long ruminating over the injustice and unfairness of what was done to me. You did something to me that I would never do to you! This will stew in my mind for years.

So I am trying to become more aware of and attuned to the reasons why people do things that they do. I am trying to have greater compassion, understanding, and then forgiveness for them with better understanding of where they are coming from. It's a spiritual lesson that I have somehow evaded or not practiced well all of these years on my path, and I need to continue to work on or practice this.

With my parents, I do now understand and forgive them for unintentionally hurting me growing up by presenting their spiritual paradigm to me as a kid. They were doing their best and thought it was the right thing to do. My dad was forced into killing other humans at age 18 in Vietnam and fought in the Tet Offensive which was one of the most brutal times in that war. He came back with PTSD and self medicated through his twenties with alcohol. He saw his friends die. The spiritual truths that do exist within his belief system, in my perception, have immensely helped him. Some of the untruths have held him back but the good stuff he believed in has carried him through all of these years to mostly flourish and succeed in most areas of his life.

My mother had her own set of issues that led her into fundamentalist Christianity. She was raised by an atheist Harvard law grad dad who pushed and pushed academic achievement while she attended these strict Catholic school with stern nuns. She was traumatized by the situation and felt she was only loved if she was very intelligent and high achieving. She worked in my granddad's psychiatric hospital from age 13 on which was depressing for her. She felt there was no joy, fun, or levity in her life growing up. He was an administrator at this hospital and had been in two wars himself, and was an antisocial guy. He equated intelligence and academic success with survival in the world and so pushed this onto his kids. She describes her life growing up as bleak, depressing, anxiety ridden, and she was suicidal by age 20.

My parents' spiritual path gave them hope, comfort, some way to make sense of the world and reality, and something to guide them. They were two lost and wounded souls barely out of their teens trying to make it in the world. There were some serious flaws in their beliefs, but like I said, some (in my perception and experience) universal spiritual truths greatly helped them make it through life together. In many ways, they have done well in life. They still believe in saved and unsaved, us versus them, heaven and hell. That part is not good but they have done a lot of good in other ways. That would be another post. I love them and do have compassion, understanding, and forgiveness for all of these things with them.
you are awake.

welcome to the jungle.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:50 AM
 
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I really don't feel like arguing with you about the topic or my feelings.
you don't get it phet. Your view is based on the the sate of the machine we call phet. Its solely based on that state.

"deserves" got nothing to do with it. "poison ivy" doesn't deserve to be removed. Its a fascinating and interesting plant.

its ok to remove it.
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:56 AM
 
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hate is there. we cannot ignore that observation.

how can it not be part of your type of god?
It is an entirely human failing and weakness.
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