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He was happy to make a cake. But he chose not to for the reason they asked.
Not in the Oregon case. He refused their business as soon as he found out there were two brides. The conversation never even got far enough along to find out if they even wanted any particular decorations on the cake.
Really? Telling us we can't practice our religion isn't an issue with you?
Who has told you that? What have you been told you can't practice? Last I checked, putting up monuments and statues on public land is not keeping you from practicing your religion. Please, do explain.
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I see what you did there. That's called a "strawman argument". It would be nice if you'd be honest with us, but I've come to see that it simply won't happen.
How is it a strawman? How am I being dishonest? Again, please explain, because it makes no sense. The FACT is, you are free to do whatever you want. If it breaks the law, you face consequences. That is how it is for everyone. Don't want to serve gay wedding cakes? Stop making wedding cakes. Break the law by discriminating? Face the consequences of your actions. Really simple.
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No one is being a bigot. We just want to live life, and practice our religion.
Yes, they are. If you discriminate against gay people, you are clearly a bigot. You think religion should get a "discriminate freely card", and that isn't going to happen.
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Of course not. Racial discrimination is discrimination based on skin color and has been collectively viewed as wrong for decades.
So what? You claim people shouldn't be forced to do something that goes against their values, so who are you to say that people should have to violate their deeply held beliefs and serve black people?
Oh right, you only think gay people should be discriminated against, and only by Christians.
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No one is suggesting that Christians have a right to discriminate against gay people. There you go being dishonest again.
No, it is clearly you being dishonest....
What would you call it, when someone says that gay people shouldn't be afforded the same rights as straight people? What would you call it, when someone says Christians should be able to refuse to serve gay people if they feel like it?
What would you call it other than discrimination??
Not in the Oregon case. He refused their business as soon as he found out there were two brides. The conversation never even got far enough along to find out if they even wanted any particular decorations on the cake.
Right. He refused to make a cake for that event. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.
He was happy to make a cake. But he chose not to for the reason they asked.
No, he wasn't. He clearly said he wouldn't make a cake for them, if it were to go to their wedding. He makes wedding cakes, and he refuses, therefore meaning he discriminated against them.
And again, you still haven't answered, what is the difference in a "gay wedding cake", and a normal one? How is making a cake for a gay couple participating in the wedding? How do you think this would make your God happy?
Who has told you that? What have you been told you can't practice? Last I checked, putting up monuments and statues on public land is not keeping you from practicing your religion. Please, do explain.
Being told how to operate a business, for one.
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How is it a strawman? How am I being dishonest? Again, please explain, because it makes no sense. The FACT is, you are free to do whatever you want. If it breaks the law, you face consequences. That is how it is for everyone. Don't want to serve gay wedding cakes? Stop making wedding cakes. Break the law by discriminating? Face the consequences of your actions. Really simple.
The fact that you assumed motive of bigotry instead of moral conviction That's dishonest. You have ignored what has been stated many times and instead choose to restate it dishonestly.
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Yes, they are. If you discriminate against gay people, you are clearly a bigot. You think religion should get a "discriminate freely card", and that isn't going to happen.
No one is doing that. You are dishonestly accusing people of it.
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So what? You claim people shouldn't be forced to do something that goes against their values, so who are you to say that people should have to violate their deeply held beliefs and serve black people?
Oh right, you only think gay people should be discriminated against, and only by Christians.
No one is saying that. Again, you are dishonestly stating that.
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No, it is clearly you being dishonest....
What would you call it, when someone says that gay people shouldn't be afforded the same rights as straight people? What would you call it, when someone says Christians should be able to refuse to serve gay people if they feel like it?
What would you call it other than discrimination??
Discrimination requires people actually being discriminated against. You have repeatedly falsely misrepresented this.
Right. He refused to make a cake for that event. You seem to have a hard time understanding that.
Yet he makes cakes for weddings on a regular basis... Therefore, he wasn't refusing to make a cake for a wedding, he was refusing to make it for a gay couple. It seems to be you having the issues here.
No, he wasn't. He clearly said he wouldn't make a cake for them, if it were to go to their wedding. He makes wedding cakes, and he refuses, therefore meaning he discriminated against them.
And again, you still haven't answered, what is the difference in a "gay wedding cake", and a normal one? How is making a cake for a gay couple participating in the wedding? How do you think this would make your God happy?
Right. If it was for the wedding. The wedding is the key part.
Yet he makes cakes for weddings on a regular basis... Therefore, he wasn't refusing to make a cake for a wedding, he was refusing to make it for a gay couple. It seems to be you having the issues here.
I'm sorry. The fact that you are simply unable to understand the difference between a same sex wedding and a hetero wedding must be some kind of mental hiccup with you or something.
Who has told you that? What have you been told you can't practice? Last I checked, putting up monuments and statues on public land is not keeping you from practicing your religion. Please, do explain.
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The funny thing about that is that the only time I've personally witnessed anyone trying to prevent a religious group from practicing their religion was when several christian churches tried to manipulate zoning laws to prevent Buddhist temples from being built in neighborhoods where there were already christian churches.
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