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The Life of Constantine, by Eusebius, book III, Chapter LXIV
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VICTOR CONSTANTINUS, MAXIMUS AUGUSTUS, to the heretics.
"Understand now, by this present statute, ye Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulians, ye who are called Cataphrygians, (1) and all ye who devise and support heresies by means of your private assemblies, with what a tissue of falsehood and vanity, with what destructive and venomous errors, your doctrines are inseparably interwoven; so that through you the healthy soul is stricken with disease, and the living becomes the prey of everlasting death.
Heavy stuff, the Marcions must have had it coming.
All the talk of Paul creating christianity and Here it says that Paulians were hertetics?...
Proof that Paul didn't create Christianity, showing the absurdity of the skeptic's logic. Pulling a piece here and a piece there, out of context, and ignoring the overall picture.
Proof that Paul didn't create Christianity, showing the absurdity of the skeptic's logic.
That there was a heretical sect called the Paulines is irrelevant to whether Paul created Christianity or not, showing the absurdity of your logic. Again.
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Originally Posted by OzzyRules
Pulling a piece here and a piece there, out of context, and ignoring the overall picture.
Yes, you are ignoring the overall picture in your silly need to attack.
Besides, man who became Christian at the deathbed and, by some scholars believed to have never even be a Christian, who spent his life as pagan, does he really count as authority on such grave matters?
That has to be the cleverest thread title of last year and probably this year.
St. Nick. Was at the Conference intended to settle what Christianity taught but I never heard that he was on the wrong side.
The Bible had started being compiled (so I read) as a reaction to Marcion's efforts to remove all the Judaic elements from the new religion. That process must have been over by the time of the council at Nicea and the form of the Bible was decided. Though broadly this was not too different from the collections that had gone before - mostly in the order of the OT books.
Didn't St Nicholas become Bishop of Smyrna? I hadn't heard that he was heretical, though so many of the Names of the time were declared so that it wouldn't surprise me. It would surprise me to hear that he was a pagan. But then, it was a bit of a surprise to find out that Constantine was, too.
That has to be the cleverest thread title of last year and probably this year.
St. Nick. Was at the Conference intended to settle what Christianity taught but I never heard that he was on the wrong side.
The Bible had started being compiled (so I read) as a reaction to Marcion's efforts to remove all the Judaic elements from the new religion. That process must have been over by the time of the council at Nicea and the form of the Bible was decided. Though broadly this was not too different from the collections that had gone before - mostly in the order of the OT books.
Didn't St Nicholas become Bishop of Smyrna? I hadn't heard that he was heretical, though so many of the Names of the time were declared so that it wouldn't surprise me. It would surprise me to hear that he was a pagan. But then, it was a bit of a surprise to find out that Constantine was, too.
Justin Martyr said Marcion was still alive around 150 AD, but Marcion may have been active up to 30 years earlier than that.
The basic canon that was the base for ours was probably put together to combat Marcion around 150 to 170 AD.
The Paulines were named after Paul of Samosata (200 to 275 AD), who was later deposed as bishop for being a monarcianist. So much for Ozzy's ignorant rant.
Saint Nicolas was Bishop of Myra, and may have attended the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD, which discussed Arianism, not Marcionism. If he was at the council, he was on the Trinitarian side, not that of Arian.
There's probably half a dozen people here that like Marcion and thought he got a bum deal.
Quite possibly. For myself, I'd have been on the side of those who thought it would do Christianity no good in cutting away from the Jewish roots, even if telling the truth rather than denying it woiuldn't mean so much to me then as it does now.
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