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I will reject anything from a person until I see good fruit. If the fruit is rotten then the person is rotten inside.
Don't blindly accept what sounds logical, or pleasing to your ears, until you have seen the fruit first.
No one is blindly accepting what sounds logical, we are basing our arguments what is logical. You are the one pretending you have fruit because it makes you happy.
From the carnal mind standpoint , which is where this question emanates, the success of it is the proof .
You have to be honest and ask yourself if the claim of resurrection had never been made would "Christianity" even be a faith today ?
Love Him or Hate Him it cannot be denied that based on the resurrection from the dead claim Jesus has turned the world upside down.
From the standpoint of the carnal mind it is so simple , make the claim of coming resurrection, have an execution , hide the body , establish a multi-billion dollar world wide organization .
Yet with all natural human desire for power , wealth , an attempt to duplicate a fake resurrection has never been made since Christ ?
Not once has it been attempted since .
If greedy , power hungry humans really believed that the resurrection was the equivalent of the Indian rope trick and led to all the money & power it would have been attempted in every corner of the globe 100 times or more by now.
Yet not once has it ever been attempted ?
From the carnal mind standpoint , which is where this question emanates, the success of it is the proof .
So other religions are also true?
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Originally Posted by unfailing presence
You have to be honest and ask yourself if the claim of resurrection had never been made would "Christianity" even be a faith today ?
Love Him or Hate Him it cannot be denied that based on the resurrection from the dead claim Jesus has turned the world upside down.
Other religions have also turned the world upside down.
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Originally Posted by unfailing presence
From the standpoint of the carnal mind it is so simple , make the claim of coming resurrection, have an execution , hide the body , establish a multi-billion dollar world wide organization .
Yet with all natural human desire for power , wealth , an attempt to duplicate a fake resurrection has never been made since Christ ?
Not once has it been attempted since .
If greedy , power hungry humans really believed that the resurrection was the equivalent of the Indian rope trick and led to all the money & power it would have been attempted in every corner of the globe 100 times or more by now.
Yet not once has it ever been attempted ?
From the carnal mind standpoint , which is where this question emanates, the success of it is the proof .
You have to be honest and ask yourself if the claim of resurrection had never been made would "Christianity" even be a faith today ?
Love Him or Hate Him it cannot be denied that based on the resurrection from the dead claim Jesus has turned the world upside down.
From the standpoint of the carnal mind it is so simple , make the claim of coming resurrection, have an execution , hide the body , establish a multi-billion dollar world wide organization .
Yet with all natural human desire for power , wealth , an attempt to duplicate a fake resurrection has never been made since Christ ?
Not once has it been attempted since .
If greedy , power hungry humans really believed that the resurrection was the equivalent of the Indian rope trick and led to all the money & power it would have been attempted in every corner of the globe 100 times or more by now.
Yet not once has it ever been attempted ?
It is surely blinkered thinking to pretend that the success of Christianity proves the truth of its' tenets. Christianity hardly compares with the success of islam it its' early years and even less with the spread of Buddhism into the east -and that without any warfare to push it and in the teeth of resistance from Hinduism in southeast Asia and Confucianism in China and Korea.
Sometimes, success of a religion can hang on a single battle. Roncevalles in the early medieval and Vienna in the late stopped Europe becoming a Islamicised as a lot of the Balkans was. One battle turning back the Mongols stopped Islam being extinguished. Better support by the Latin side of Christianity might have stopped the fall of Constantinople and Christianity would pretty much own the Middle east today. That is hardly a success - story for the Faith.
A great deal of Christianity's 'success' is due to colonisation and the ability to make war better than anyone else. S American Catholicism is based entirely on conquest and exploitation. A good half of Protestantism is down to Europe swiping half of America and all of Australia from its' natives. Don't talk to me about the 'success' of Christianity validating it.
Other religions have also turned the world upside down.
True In reference to what particular foundational " proof " ?
That being the basis for this thread .
There are a thousand religions after all .
I would submit to you that there is no other religion you can name that could be destroyed based upon a particular foundational claim of it being disproven the way Christianity could if the resurrection were proven a lie .
Such as ?
Interesting twist. That is something I wonder about - why do we need the resurrection in the first place? Or the crucifixion? But what would I know, I saw the arrest, trial and crucifixion as a failure - a bad ending to what sounded like a nice story. And then they stuck those horrid crucifixes with a tortured man all over the place! I suppose just maybe, that that is the key to the success of Christianity. How else does one deal with the enormity and horror of that damn crucifix? Just a thought.
Personally I think it's the every cause needs a martyr syndrome.
True In reference to what particular foundational " proof " ?
That being the basis for this thread .
There are a thousand religions after all .
I would submit to you that there is no other religion you can name that could be destroyed based upon a particular foundational claim of it being disproven the way Christianity could if the resurrection were proven a lie .
Such as ?
Gabriel did not visit Mohammad, or Mohammad did not exist. This would destroy Islam more than the resurrection story being shown to be false.
As for the resurrection were proven a lie, no one is claiming this apart from Christians straw manning atheists. Christianity existed for decades before the gospel resurrection story was invented. And I know of one Christian who is still a Christian, even though he believes Jesus did not even exist.
I'd guess. There is a kind of person who follows the teachings as a moral guide and doesn't worry overmuch about the supernatural stuff.
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