what is problematic about these kinds of statements? (agnostic, bible, faith)
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You know what I think our collective biggest shortcoming is? Once we have decided for ourselves that we don't like a person, they might as well just leave the forum altogether. Everybody says something truly meaningful once in a while. I wish we could focus more on what is said than on who said it. In other words, "Oh, he's an Evangelical Christian; therefore, he couldn't possibly have made a good point." Or, "Well, he's an atheist. If I agree that he just made a good point, will people think I'm starting to lose my belief in God?"
You know what I think our collective biggest shortcoming is? Once we have decided for ourselves that we don't like a person, they might as well just leave the forum altogether. Everybody says something truly meaningful once in a while. I wish we could focus more on what is said than on who said it. In other words, "Oh, he's an Evangelical Christian; therefore, he couldn't possibly have made a good point." Or, "Well, he's an atheist. If I agree that he just made a good point, will people think I'm starting to lose my belief in God?"
I thinks its more we are advocating for a statement of belief about god. if one agrees with what we are advocating for they insightful and reliable. If the person is not advocating for a statement of belief about god ... they are on the outs.
it has nothing to do with "how the universe works" and evaluating what people say based on open minds, commonsense and reason.
If we are only seekers then using the data we have (science data) then our belief will be the same as what the data is describing. and some people advocating for a statement of belief about god have to stop that kind of reasoning.
I thinks its more we are advocating for a statement of belief about god. if one agrees with what we are advocating for they insightful and reliable. If the person is not advocating for a statement of belief about god ... they are on the outs. it has nothing to do with "how the universe works" and evaluating what people say based on open minds, commonsense and reason.
If we are only seekers then using the data we have (science data) then our belief will be the same as what the data is describing. and some people advocating for a statement of belief about god have to stop that kind of reasoning.
"science data" does not encompass or address that which is sacred, that which is holy.
common sense, reason, logic and even the most basic understanding, recognize that paths of religion focus on the sacred and the holy. "science data" does not.
"science data" does not encompass or address that which is sacred, that which is holy.
common sense, reason, logic and even the most basic understanding, recognize that paths of religion focus on the sacred and the holy. "science data" does not.
I've never met a person who didn't think they have common sense and logic.
That's three posts I cancelled. But what seems to be the problem is that the Christians are not seeing the problem.
I cancelled the one about self -righteousness because that's not the problem. The problem is they are (on evidence) wrong and yet think they are right and society should reflect that.
I cancelled the one about atheists being seen as being as rude as Christians, but the problem is that atheists point out where Christians are on evidence wrong, but Christians respond by telling lies about atheists - we've seen it here.
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I cancelled the one about Christians seeing it as rival religions, slating each other, but it's one that is right, on evidence and the others having nothing but abuse and denial. We have seen it.
The whole thread and a lot of the posts are about celebrating the Christian evasion of the Problem and pretending that it's something else.
"The whole problem with you is that you don't want to hear what the whole problem with you is" (Lucy Van pelt)
That's three posts I cancelled. But what seems to be the problem is that the Christians are not seeing the problem.
I cancelled the one about self -righteousness because that's not the problem. The problem is they are (on evidence) wrong and yet think they are right and society should reflect that.
I cancelled the one about atheists being seen as being as rude as Christians, but the problem is that atheists point out where Christians are on evidence wrong, but Christians respond by telling lies about atheists - we've seen it here.
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I cancelled the one about Christians seeing it as rival religions, slating each other, but it's one that is right, on evidence and the others having nothing but abuse and denial. We have seen it.
The whole thread and a lot of the posts are about celebrating the Christian evasion of the Problem and pretending that it's something else.
"The whole problem with you is that you don't want to hear what the whole problem with you is" (Lucy Van pelt)
"The whole problem with you is that you don't want to hear what the whole problem with you is" (Lucy Van pelt)
Does that apply to Atheists?
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It may not seem like it, but I often think.."Nah..." half -way through.
