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Old 09-19-2020, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Okay, so I've been thinking about your question and have finally come up with an answer. I probably wouldn't change that much with respect to my interactions with other people, since I generally don't get any joy out of being mean or thoughtless. If I were to find out conclusively that God doesn't exist, that would, of course, mean that everything I've learned in a religious setting (i.e. within Mormonism) is also false. Since, as a Mormon, I'm not supposed to drink, but absolutely love wine, I'd be off the hook there. I'd also have a little more flexibility in what I wear, since modesty would no longer be an issue. On the other hand, at my age, I don't know that I'd want to be showing all that much skin off anyway.

On the negative side, I'd feel empty. Since I'd know that there was nothing after death, I'd be pretty despondent over that. I honestly wouldn't feel as if there was much meaning in my life.
Well, in Buddhism we tend to believe that there is rebirth...and that is without a god. I don't think it's necessarily true that for something beyond this life there has to be a god.

Thanks for your humor!

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Old 09-19-2020, 05:13 PM
 
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With no disrespect, but that is hypocrisy. Moral principles should be followed because they are coming from one's heart, not because of some religion rules. One, that is drunkard or frivolous in mind, is drunkard and frivolous. End of sentence. It is not the outer, that matters. It is inner, that is weighed on the scales, against a feather.

This is why I feel like a slave, being bound by rules, that I hate, but volunteered to burden myself with. Follow corporate whatever, can't say this or that, and so on. I hate myself for that.
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Old 09-19-2020, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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With no disrespect, but that is hypocrisy. Moral principles should be followed because they are coming from one's heart, not because of some religion rules. One, that is drunkard or frivolous in mind, is drunkard and frivolous. End of sentence. It is not the outer, that matters. It is inner, that is weighed on the scales, against a feather.

This is why I feel like a slave, being bound by rules, that I hate, but volunteered to burden myself with. Follow corporate whatever, can't say this or that, and so on. I hate myself for that.
I have no idea which post you're responding to.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City
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Well, in Buddhism we tend to believe that there is rebirth...and that is without a god. I don't think it's necessarily true that for something beyond this life there has to be a god.
That's something I've never quite understood. How could that take place without the help of a Higher Power?
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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That's something I've never quite understood. How could that take place without the help of a Higher Power?
I don't know. Just a natural process.

BTW, I'm not convinced of it either, even though I am Buddhist.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:06 PM
 
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That's something I've never quite understood. How could that take place without the help of a Higher Power?
I would answer that by saying the same way the higher power itself can exist.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:23 PM
 
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I would answer that by saying the same way the higher power itself can exist.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:38 PM
 
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That's something I've never quite understood. How could that take place without the help of a Higher Power?
How then could a higher power simply "take place" without help from an even higher power? What is observed is that energy can neither be created or destroyed and so is apparently eternal; matter is one of the various forms that energy can take; and matter interacts with itself spontaneously in a process known as quantum mechanics. No "higher power" is observed at all.
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:48 PM
 
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If there is no god then there is no me
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Old 09-19-2020, 06:49 PM
 
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How then could a higher power simply "take place" without help from an even higher power? What is observed is that energy can neither be created or destroyed and so is apparently eternal; matter is one of the various forms that energy can take; and matter interacts with itself spontaneously in a process known as quantum mechanics. No "higher power" is observed at all.
not deity higher power at any rate. I think QM points to describing the system as "alive" matches what we see better than describing it not alive. It means there is something, it just aint no deity.
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