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This is a thread for BOTH christians and atheists (or for that matter, any other religious group).
Atheists -- what if today we found out conclusively that there was a god? How would you adjust your life?
Christians -- what it today we found out conclusively that there was no god? How would you adjust your life?
It would depend. What does this god want from me? What are the rewards for doing what it wants? What are the consequences for declining to do what it wants?
Excuse me, but I never implied that quantum mechanics is not a fact. I have a great deal of respect for people who can actually grasp this concept, and believe me, I've tried. Just interpret my answer as meaning, "I'm not as smart as you, Tired of the Nonsense." That should do it.
all he means is that, from QM, that "from nothing" is as valid as "deity".
Be assured, that "qm" from nothing isn't really "nothing" as we understand understand "nothing". It would be better stated that its a "quantum foam" in which nothing is a component of it. Or if we understand, probability is based on all known out comes but excludes unknowns. Also "weights", or assumptions, come into play.
You are smart enough. Someone that can twist reasonable notions into weapons to maintain a deity as reasonable is plenty smart enough to understand QM as good as anybody else.
If a god exists, that god is not written about in the old testament.
It is more accurate to say the descriptions in the OT do not faithfully represent the God that does exist. That is why Jesus was needed to reveal and unambiguously demonstrate the true nature of God. Sadly, our ignorant ancestors were too conditioned to the OT God descriptions and too unevolved to escape from the barbaric representations. Instead, they reinterpreted Christ's Gospel to conform to the OT barbarism corrupting Christ's message of love and reconciliation. This was compounded by the demand that the primitive beliefs be accepted as a sign of faith in God thus stagnating the doctrines for millennia.
It is more accurate to say the descriptions in the OT do not faithfully represent the God that does exist. That is why Jesus was needed to reveal and unambiguously demonstrate the true nature of God. Sadly, our ignorant ancestors were too conditioned to the OT God descriptions and too unevolved to escape from the barbaric representations. Instead, they reinterpreted Christ's Gospel to conform to the OT barbarism corrupting Christ's message of love and reconciliation. This was compounded by the demand that the primitive beliefs be accepted as a sign of faith in God thus stagnating the doctrines for millennia.
No, it is more accurate to say exactly what I said.
No, it is more accurate to say exactly what I said.
Except the OT does contain accurate descriptions according to those Jesus revealed. The problem is one of parsing the true descriptions from the false, IMO. YMMV.
As with others, which god has been proved to be real, and what are it’s demands relative to me?
A distant, uninvolved deistic god wouldn’t practically change much, other than some of the debates on this forum.
An involved god who requires me to do, or not do, certain things in order to achieve paradise or avoid eternal torment would be different. I could be coerced into making different decisions in my life if sufficiently motivated.
Belief in a god who was proven would be easy. I would hope that an actual god would not require me to act immorally, I don’t know how I would react to that.
I find it interesting that none of the theists replying have considered the possibility that the revealed god might be a different god from the one they currently believe in.
I've been enjoying reading the responses of our various members. Yours is one of the most interesting.
Except the OT does contain accurate descriptions according to those Jesus revealed. The problem is one of parsing the true descriptions from the false, IMO. YMMV.
There is no reason to think that Jesus was divine; certainly there is not the tiniest shred of proof.
You stick to posting your own opinions; I have no need for you to clarify mine.
As with others, which god has been proved to be real, and what are it’s demands relative to me?
A distant, uninvolved deistic god wouldn’t practically change much, other than some of the debates on this forum.
An involved god who requires me to do, or not do, certain things in order to achieve paradise or avoid eternal torment would be different. I could be coerced into making different decisions in my life if sufficiently motivated.
Belief in a god who was proven would be easy. I would hope that an actual god would not require me to act immorally, I don’t know how I would react to that.
I find it interesting that none of the theists replying have considered the possibility that the revealed god might be a different god from the one they currently believe in.
A: I worry about this about as much as I worry about being wrong about Ra or Ba'al or Zeus or Odin.
[I'm an atheist]
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Q: What if I'm wrong about God?
