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I think forgiving is a word fraught with different meaning and misunderstanding. If you look at the etymology of the word it means several things, like repay a debt, and essentially To Give. To To give what? Importantly the giving comes from oneself.
It can mean to give up, like give up grievances, the desire to exact revenge, grudges, of having been wronged.
Modern medicine treats forgiving as an important step towards healing both physical and emotional pain. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20047692
One of the problems, I believe, is that forgiveness is so tightly tied in with Biblical connotations, “because Jesus said.”
Eastern religions don’t even have a word for forgiveness. The closest word in Sanskrit for instance is kshama. It means several things - endure, suffer, and be at peace, calm in balance. So when one asks for kshama, one is also wishing the other to be calm, be at peace, and forgive my mistake.
Altogether the meaning for forgiveness is somewhat elusive and, i think, different from what most people think. The Biblical connection makes it an obligation to forgive once someone asks for forgiveness. That makes it hard because you are asked to give something precious to someone who hurt you, to make [i]them [i] feel better.
The point is forgiving is cleansing oneself of the hurt and grudge that we bear, the unjustified wrongs we were made to suffer. It also means to endure the suffering caused by someone else. This is somewhat easier if you believe, as many do, that our inner self, the true self, never suffers, it is always at peace, that is its very nature. It is our mind, body, ego that suffers. You dont give away anything when you forgive, you relieve yourself from pain
What do you think suffering means? How do you think this suffering caused by other can be rectified so it brings us peace? What do you think forgiveness mean? Do you agree with Mayo Clinic when it says healing begins with us, not by an outside agent?, and forgiving and letting go is an important process?
I think forgiving is a word fraught with different meaning and misunderstanding. If you look at the etymology of the word it means several things, like repay a debt, and essentially To Give. To To give what? Importantly the giving comes from oneself.
It can mean to give up, like give up grievances, the desire to exact revenge, grudges, of having been wronged.
Modern medicine treats forgiving as an important step towards healing both physical and emotional pain. https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20047692
One of the problems, I believe, is that forgiveness is so tightly tied in with Biblical connotations, “because Jesus said.” Eastern religions don’t even have a word for forgiveness. The closest word in Sanskrit for instance is kshama. It means several things - endure, suffer, and be at peace, calm in balance. So when one asks for kshama, one is also wishing the other to be calm, be at peace, and forgive my mistake.
Altogether the meaning for forgiveness is somewhat elusive and, i think, different from what most people think. The Biblical connection makes it an obligation to forgive once someone asks for forgiveness. That makes it hard because you are asked to give something precious to someone who hurt you, to make [i]them [i] feel better.
The point is forgiving is cleansing oneself of the hurt and grudge that we bear, the unjustified wrongs we were made to suffer. It also means to endure the suffering caused by someone else. This is somewhat easier if you believe, as many do, that our inner self, the true self, never suffers, it is always at peace, that is its very nature. It is our mind, body, ego that suffers. You dont give away anything when you forgive, you relieve yourself from pain
What do you think suffering means? How do you think this suffering caused by other can be rectified so it brings us peace? What do you think forgiveness mean? Do you agree with Mayo Clinic when it says healing begins with us, not by an outside agent?, and forgiving and letting go is an important process?
In Catholicism, suffering is seen as an opportunity.
It allows us to share in the redemptive sufferings of Christ by following His example and suffering in solidarity with Him. When we humbly submit to the will of God and accept our sufferings with joy, then we can be redeemed and saved.
When someone wrongs us and suffering comes because of it, we ought to be thankful to God that He has given us an opportunity to suffer. Withholding forgiveness from the one who has wronged us is equivalent to rejecting a gift that God has offered to us.
In Catholicism, suffering is seen as an opportunity.
It allows us to share in the redemptive sufferings of Christ by following His example and suffering in solidarity with Him. When we humbly submit to the will of God and accept our sufferings with joy, then we can be redeemed and saved.
When someone wrongs us and suffering comes because of it, we ought to be thankful to God that He has given us an opportunity to suffer. Withholding forgiveness from the one who has wronged us is equivalent to rejecting a gift that God has offered to us.
In Catholicism, suffering is seen as an opportunity.
It allows us to share in the redemptive sufferings of Christ by following His example and suffering in solidarity with Him. When we humbly submit to the will of God and accept our sufferings with joy, then we can be redeemed and saved.
When someone wrongs us and suffering comes because of it, we ought to be thankful to God that He has given us an opportunity to suffer. Withholding forgiveness from the one who has wronged us is equivalent to rejecting a gift that God has offered to us.
Suffering has a place similar to that in most religions. Suffering is interpreted in Vedanta texts as a chance to work out one’s negative karma, your suffering jus paid off one karma. Forgiveness as canceling a debt seems appropriate in that context. Forbearance with patience is one of the qualities to qualify for moksha, for Realization. Fasting rituals are kind of ritual suffering.
Just as suffering is ours, forgiving is ours as well, and personal.
There is story about two bhikkus.
On their path, they encountered a river with a shallow ford.
A woman was standing there, scared to cross the river.
One of the bhikkus offered woman his help and carried her across the water on his back.
After crossing, they parted their ways and bhikkus continued, in silence.
Monk, that didn't help the woman, slowly became more and mre agitated and, finally burst at his companion: How could you! You know, we, bhikkus, are not allowed to touch a woman!"
To what his companion calmly said - Brother, I left that woman on the bank of that river. You - you are still carrying her.
In relevance to this thread.
One, that does not have a burden, has nothing to rid of.
One, that does not carry offense, has nothing to forgive.
There is story about two bhikkus.
On their path, they encountered a river with a shallow ford.
A woman was standing there, scared to cross the river.
One of the bhikkus offered woman his help and carried her across the water on his back.
After crossing, they parted their ways and bhikkus continued, in silence.
Monk, that didn't help the woman, slowly became more and mre agitated and, finally burst at his companion: How could you! You know, we, bhikkus, are not allowed to touch a woman!"
To what his companion calmly said - Brother, I left that woman on the bank of that river. You - you are still carrying her.
In relevance to this thread.
One, that does not have a burden, has nothing to rid of.
One, that does not carry offense, has nothing to forgive.
Good one, Ukrkoz.
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To give what? Importantly the giving comes from oneself.
It can mean to give up, like give up grievances, the desire to exact revenge, grudges, of having been wronged.
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