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Standard perennial Catholic doctrine teaches that there is "something wrong" with all of us; that being that we are all born under the curse of original sin. We all have to "deny our sexuality" to some extent, because our sexuality, just like every other aspect of our personhood, is fallen and in need of redemption. We are all called to die to ourselves, to pick up our cross and follow Christ. What that looks like for each individual will be different, and some have heavier crosses than others. The Church does not demand anything more from a person with same sex attraction than it does from someone with opposite sex attraction, as we are all called to live in perfect chastity according to our state in life.
And what I'm asking in my line of questioning, is if Francis believes that homosexual behavior is wrong. I'm not sure if he believes it to be sinful. He seems to have some different views than his predecessor.
And what I'm asking in my line of questioning, is if Francis believes that homosexual behavior is wrong. I'm not sure if he believes it to be sinful. He seems to have some different views than his predecessor.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? My post said: "Slavery existed in this nation/colonies for 200+ years, too...until it was changed."
Slavery laws in the United States evolved directly from slavery practices and laws in the 13 original colonies (ever heard of the 13 original colonies?), often supported by christians and christian churches.
But here's your problem -- you only like the laws you like. Well, guess what...you're not the only living person in the United States, and your religion doesn't dictate what American law is.
And btw, you said you weren't going to engage with me...several times.
You are SO right with this statement...I see this all the time in peoples opinions on these threads, THEIR personal opinion on a law is what they believe to be right!
if the law agrees, all the better, but if their opinion conflicts with American principles, they think its WRONG!
Standard perennial Catholic doctrine teaches that there is "something wrong" with all of us; that being that we are all born under the curse of original sin. We all have to "deny our sexuality" to some extent, because our sexuality, just like every other aspect of our personhood, is fallen and in need of redemption. We are all called to die to ourselves, to pick up our cross and follow Christ. What that looks like for each individual will be different, and some have heavier crosses than others. The Church does not demand anything more from a person with same sex attraction than it does from someone with opposite sex attraction, as we are all called to live in perfect chastity according to our state in life.
Surely you don't deny that there's huge qualitative difference between being "chaste" as a heterosexual but at least you have an approved context in which to express your sexuality, and being involuntarily "chaste" as a homosexual for life.
And what I'm asking in my line of questioning, is if Francis believes that homosexual behavior is wrong. I'm not sure if he believes it to be sinful. He seems to have some different views than his predecessor.
Why would a religious person separate wrong behavior from sinful behavior? Is there an example of a behavior that is wrong but not sinful?
Surely you don't deny that there's huge qualitative difference between being "chaste" as a heterosexual but at least you have an approved context in which to express your sexuality, and being involuntarily "chaste" as a homosexual for life.
Well, like I said, some have heavier crosses to bear than others and I don't try to pretend that living chastely while experiencing same sex attraction is easy.
But we ought not pretend that living according to the standards of Catholic marriage is easy either when you consider that using birth control and contraceptives is considered gravely sinful. Raising lots of children is quite a sacrifice, especially if one wants to do it well.
Well, like I said, some have heavier crosses to bear than others and I don't try to pretend that living chastely while experiencing same sex attraction is easy.
But we ought not pretend that living according to the standards of Catholic marriage is easy either when you consider that using birth control and contraceptives is considered gravely sinful. Raising lots of children is quite a sacrifice, especially if one wants to do it well.
But that's part of the problem. All too many people don't do it well. Including catholics.
Ah, yes. The nebulous claim of "fundies" that are doing it. As if those "fundies" are exactly what every Christian on this forum are. I'd be willing to be that piece of work dad would mistreat that kid regardless of religion. Bad people do bad things.
I'm sorry that you have dealt with some bad people personally, but no one here is suggesting we not love and respect kids.
You are getting my ire up!
Yes, it was fundies. Yes it was their friggin' pastor who fed into the father's stance. Don't try and tell me it was just "a few bad apples". It was RELIGION that was the focus of the problem.
Yes, it was fundies. Yes it was their friggin' pastor who fed into the father's stance. Don't try and tell me it was just "a few bad apples". It was RELIGION that was the focus of the problem.
Look at you...losin' it and tweakin out.
Being that this world is so vastly Religious @ over 4 out of 5, and growing...you are sure to be in a state of constant angst.
People are free to hold whatever subjective view of various sexual habits and lifestyles they care to hold...regardless of the basis for that view.
I was in the pornogrophy industry for 35 years...but I could fully understand someone holding the view that kind of sexual behavior/lifestyle was not cool. Many felt it wasn't...and told me so...in no uncertain terms.
You will have to learn how to be more understanding and cope with the differing views, concepts, and ways of others.
I have an idea...if you ask nice...maybe they will pray for you to be able to collect yourself.
Yes, it was fundies. Yes it was their friggin' pastor who fed into the father's stance. Don't try and tell me it was just "a few bad apples". It was RELIGION that was the focus of the problem.
Yes. It was bad people. And they gravitated toward a church where they could dominate other people. No one is disputing that. I'm in agreement there. There are bad people in bad churches in America, including this "pastor" and the family.
Having said that, the issue that I have is that routinely I see an inability to differentiate between the inbreeds in this kind of church and the rest of Christianity.
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