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Define exist. Music - does it exist? How do you know? What if you are tone deaf, and have no hearing aids, would music still exist? If a deaf person can "hear" music by its vibration, is it still music? Why or why not?
The game of chess is a made up thing. It comes into existence only for the players who can "see' the game. Does it still exist? Why or why not?
That analogy could also be used to say:. Music is vibration. It doesn't exist in the physical world without ear drums and a brain to process it. It only exists in the consciousness of the receiver.
To think what you don't know does not exist is a shockingly delusional existence.
What exists is the board and a bunch of chessmen. Only when two players begin to play the game, a non-physical thing that did not exist before, becomes immanent. The game is not in the physical things, it is in the mind, abstract and yet very real.
Some people apparently cannot hold such ideas or even comprehend the abstract. We may have to just leave it at that.
bold above,
i have to agree that it is exceedingly irrational to claim that if someone has not experienced something, that it does not exist. if someone does not know something or understand something, that it does not exist, that if someone disagrees because their experience is different, that it is imaginary.
that is just irrational. it is an utterly false premise.
That analogy could also be used to say:. Music is vibration. It doesn't exist in the physical world without ear drums and a brain to process it. It only exists in the consciousness of the receiver.
Consciousness is the ear of the ear, the brain of the brain. Our physical body is merely an instrument and is wuite useless without consciousness.
To think what you don't know does not exist is a shockingly delusional existence.
What exists is the board and a bunch of chessmen. Only when two players begin to play the game, a non-physical thing that did not exist before, becomes immanent. The game is not in the physical things, it is in the mind, abstract and yet very real.
Some people apparently cannot hold such ideas or even comprehend the abstract. We may have to just leave it at that.
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Originally Posted by Tzaphkiel
bold above,
i have to agree that it is exceedingly irrational to claim that if someone has not experienced something, that it does not exist. if someone does not know something or understand something, that it does not exist, that if someone disagrees because their experience is different, that it is imaginary.
that is just irrational. it is an utterly false premise.
That analogy could also be used to say:. Music is vibration. It doesn't exist in the physical world without ear drums and a brain to process it. It only exists in the consciousness of the receiver.
Also, something is there. Its not nothing. It is a regular repeating pattern that can be measured, mechanism be offered, and make predictions.
If humans were not here, it would be the same physical mechanisms in play.
I don't like Indian traditional music. But it's still there.
An imaginary friend is not there.
what is your evidence to counter that we are part of a larger more complex system that may be alive? What evidence do you have that counters that volumes of the universe around you are, in fact, demonstrating feelings to you? In ways that you can understand?
can you offer something more than you don't believe in people thinking differently than you do?
Define exist. Music - does it exist? How do you know? What if you are tone deaf, and have no hearing aids, would music still exist? If a deaf person can "hear" music by its vibration, is it still music? Why or why not?
The game of chess is a made up thing. It comes into existence only for the players who can "see' the game. Does it still exist? Why or why not?
At last, interesting questions.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
To think what you don't know does not exist is a shockingly delusional existence.
What exists is the board and a bunch of chessmen. Only when two players begin to play the game, a non-physical thing that did not exist before, becomes immanent. The game is not in the physical things, it is in the mind, abstract and yet very real.
Some people apparently cannot hold such ideas or even comprehend the abstract. We may have to just leave it at that.
That analogy could also be used to say:. Music is vibration. It doesn't exist in the physical world without ear drums and a brain to process it. It only exists in the consciousness of the receiver.
I am not sure CB understands her analogies pose a problem for the idea of consciousness.
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