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I'm sorry sanspeur. I was just looking at what the English Websters Collegiate Dictionary said it ment. I guess in science you guys must speak another language. Kind of like up is down, and black is white. LOL
You are being obtuse...You know very well what the scientific definition of the term theory means.
As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.
Actually that came right out of Webster's Collegiate Dictionary. And it appears in the English langauge ,theory can have a number meanings.
Yet nothing like you suggest.
1. A hypothesis assumed for the sake of arguent or investigation.
2. An unproven assumption.
3. Conjecture
4. a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.
5. Speculation
6. an idea or hypothetical set of facts, principles. or circumstances often used in the phrase in theory.
You see, no matter how much you want to believe things evolove, you still can't get the meaning of (theory), to evolve into a fact of nature. LOL
LOL..l see you obviously skipped or did not understand #4. No surprises there.
Evolution has been a fact of nature for many millions of years now. The theory of evolution is the most plausible, scientifically acceptable and well supported explanation of how it transpired.
Now please, before posting any more drivel and making a bigger fool of yourself, get out of your parents' basement and make an effort to acquire a decent education. One that doesn't involve your parents teaching you out of creationist approved "curriculum"
"Cudi Dagh (Mt Judi) is located approximately 200 miles south of Mt. Ararat in southern Turkey almost within eyesight of the Syrian and Iraqi borders. The Tigris River flows at its base. The exact co-ordinates are 37 degrees, 21 minutes N., and 42 degrees, 17 minutes E., ... just east of the present Turkish city of Gizre and still within the bounds of the Biblical region of Ararat (Urartu). The Nestorians ... built several monasteries around the mountain including one on the summit called "The Cloister of the Ark". It was destroyed by lightning in 766 A.D. The Muslims later built a mosque on the site. In 1910, Gertrude Bell explored the area and found a stone structure still at the summit with the shape of a ship called by the locals "Sefinet Nebi Nuh" "The Ship of Noah". ... As late as 1949 two Turkish journalists claimed to have seen the Ark on this mountain, a ship 500 feet in length!"
And an article from The Observer (London)
LONDON -- Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometres from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.
The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.
Buried Ark The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting an altitude of 2,300 metres.
At 170 metres long and 45 metres wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubit by 50 cubit boat that God told Noah to build, according to Genesis 6 in the Bible.
On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end, which they believe are "drogue-stones," dragged behind ships in the ancient world to stabilize them. Radar soundings indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution.
Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the 'vessel' at more than 100,000 years. "It is a man-made structure and for sure it is Noah's Ark."
The site is directly below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Qur'an as the Ark's resting place.
Just more proof that you have no understanding whatsoever as to what a scientific theory entails.
Yes, just as satellite images of Mars confirm there is a mile-long face and pyramids on the Cydonia plain..
Simple. None of the prophesies in the Bible are true (unless you use ALOT of imagination, do ALOT of contorting and forcing those square pegs into them round holes..)
The "prophecies" are irrelevant. The authors of The Bible borrowed heavily from Sumerian/Babylonian and Egyptian mythology (e.g. Enuma Elish, Epic of Gilgamesh, Book of The Dead).
The structure on Irans border was a natural land formation, not the Ark. I knew about that story years ago.
And there is a face on Mars, again, it is believed to be a natural land formation. What is seen on Ararat does not match the surroundings, and that is the difference. And numerous people have actually got close to the object on Ararat, and they are telling us it is the Ark. We have no such conformation for the face on Mars.
And I believe Biblical prophecies are only irrelevant to someone who is not interested in the truth. And we have duel stories in the newspapers all the time, yet none here suggest that the latter edition was copied. Your claim that the Bible borrowed the story of the flood from other mythology is an opinion that lacks any evidence to back up your claim. And did the indians in the Americas borrow their knowledge of the Global flood found in their oral traditions from Babylonian and Egyptian mythology?
The prophecies of the Jews returning to Israel are true, and those prophecies were spoken of by Christians who lived hundreds of years before the Jews ever returned to Israel. In the 1600 and 1800s Christians stated that before Jesus Christ would return to this world, the Jewish people would first have to return to the land of Israel, and Jerusalem. And they stated that their return would anger many nations around the world.
IT APPEARS THOSE PROPHECIES WERE TRUE.
You are being obtuse...You know very well what the scientific definition of the term theory means.
As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.
I'm sorry sanspeur, I speak English. If you want to create you own language that's find. But I going to stick with my Webster's Dictionary.
Evolution, has not changed the meaning of (THEORY).
I'm sorry sanspeur, I speak English. If you want to create you own language that's find. But I going to stick with my Webster's Dictionary.
Evolution, has not changed the meaning of (THEORY).
It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.
Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.
Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.
Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religious beliefs, and so remain intentionally ignorant of facts.
The structure on Irans border was a natural land formation, not the Ark. I knew about that story years ago.
Don't worry - I know the Muslim account of the flood is as much of a fairytale as the Biblical version. There is no ark on Mt Judi just as there is no ark on Mt Ararat.
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And I believe Biblical prophecies are only irrelevant to someone who is not interested in the truth. And we have duel stories in the newspapers all the time, yet none here suggest that the latter edition was copied.
Yes we have dual stories in contemporary newspapers. However the Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Biblical account by 1600 YEARS. The Biblical account is obviously a copy of this earlier story. Just as it was also inspired by the Enuma Elish and the Book of The Dead.
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Your claim that the Bible borrowed the story of the flood from other mythology is an opinion that lacks any evidence to back up your claim.
On the contrary, it is backed up by solid archaeological and historical evidence.
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And did the indians in the Americas borrow their knowledge of the Global flood found in their oral traditions from Babylonian and Egyptian mythology?
The Native American flood myths are totally unrelated to the middle eastern global flood myth. They evolved separately, just as many cultures around the world who witness flooding developed their own flood stories.
I think we've covered this several times already..
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The prophecies of the Jews returning to Israel are true, and those prophecies were spoken of by Christians who lived hundreds of years before the Jews ever returned to Israel.
Newsflash, sparky: ANY group that has been driven from their homeland will have "prophesies" of returning someday.
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In the 1600 and 1800s Christians stated that before Jesus Christ would return to this world, the Jewish people would first have to return to the land of Israel, and Jerusalem. And they stated that their return would anger many nations around the world.
IT APPEARS THOSE PROPHECIES WERE TRUE.
I'm sorry sanspeur, I speak English. If you want to create you own language that's find. But I going to stick with my Webster's Dictionary.
Evolution, has not changed the meaning of (THEORY).
Websters.
Theory
1: the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2: abstract thought :speculation
3: the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art <music theory>
4 a: a belief, policy, or procedure proposed or followed as the basis of action <her method is based on the theory that all children want to learn> b: an ideal or hypothetical set of facts, principles, or circumstances —often used in the phrase in theory<in theory, we have always advocated freedom for all>
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption :
The term can be used in a number of ways. You choose - following the creationists - to missapply the common usage "6 a: a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b: an unproved assumption"
But that says it all. It is using the term as a synonym for 'hypothesis'. A hypothesis is an idea which has not yet been tested and for which there is no data. Whether you agree with the evidence or not, it is clear that evolution is not a hypothesis. There is a great deal of evidence and data
the correct useage is, of course:
5: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
That 'theory' has been demonstrated and there is evidence to support it. it is more than 'just a theory'. The same goes for evolution.
If you didn't understand this before, understand it now. If you understand it now, have the decency not to misunderstand it again.
It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.
Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.
Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.
Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religious beliefs, and so remain intentionally ignorant of facts.
Of course there are things in this world that look similar. That does not mean they are related. And when it comes to Evolution, yesterdays facts are often viewed as yesterdays errors. And so it goes with the theory of Evolution. Always claiming loudly they have the truth, and often doing so with impressive scientific equipment in the background. Yet later they whisper in a quite tones, they were wrong again. Only the Bible can make such bold claims, and only the Bible has continually been proven true by historical discovery. And if you have a Book that is continually proven to be true by such discoveries, why would anyone believe questionable theories? Especially, when those theories try to claim the Biblical account is untrue. Now, if you could present evidence that the Bible is filled with errors, you might have a good arguement. Yet, you and I both know, that is something you would be unable to do. Christians are not ignorant of the fact, that many of the facts of Evolution have been proven wrong. And we are also not ignorant of the fact, that the Bible continues to be proven true. And that is a fact you can take to the bank.
Don't worry - I know the Muslim account of the flood is as much of a fairytale as the Biblical version. There is no ark on Mt Judi just as there is no ark on Mt Ararat.
Yes we have dual stories in contemporary newspapers. However the Epic of Gilgamesh predates the Biblical account by 1600 YEARS. The Biblical account is obviously a copy of this earlier story. Just as it was also inspired by the Enuma Elish and the Book of The Dead.
On the contrary, it is backed up by solid archaeological and historical evidence.
The Native American flood myths are totally unrelated to the middle eastern global flood myth. They evolved separately, just as many cultures around the world who witness flooding developed their own flood stories.
I think we've covered this several times already..
Newsflash, sparky: ANY group that has been driven from their homeland will have "prophesies" of returning someday.
Libenter homines id quod volunt credunt
libenter ... is irretrievably tied to plenus venter, imho.
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