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If those democrats weren't Christians, what were they?
What you had at that time was a personal battle between good and evil.
The left hand (Democrat) keeping the black man down. The right hand (Christan) trying to lift him up. The right hand dominant became Republicans. The left, the racist democrats we know so well.
So what? They were taken as POWs. That's how war was waged.
Your point?
Again, your point? That's what was happening at that time.
And in the NT, slavery was largely chosen by the slave because of debt. It wasn't because some white guy owned a black guy.
I"m sorry, I fail to see an issue.
There you go folks. This is how some Christians justify slavery! They fail to see an issue with owning, selling, beating, branding, or enslaving another human being!
Again, your point? That's what was happening at that time.
I"m sorry, I fail to see an issue.
Wow, what a cop-out! Just because something happens regularly, does NOT MAKE IT RIGHT. If it was "right" with your god then, it should be right with him now.
There you go folks. This is how some Christians justify slavery! They fail to see an issue with owning, selling, beating, branding, or enslaving another human being!
It's one of the options, cringe and whine 'It wasn't me guvnor' or the other; brazen it out. 'So what?'
Either it's not God's fault. If that's what all the pagans do, far be it from God to tell His People to do anything different. Or, if God actually thinks slavery is ok (after all it's just like work, instead you can't leave when you want to) it must be Ok, because God is good isn't he? Why he said so himself. Who are we to disagree?
I think you often fail...Who fought tooth and nail to retain slavery in the US often using the bible to justify it? Christians.....Then once that was abolished who fought to retain segregation?.....Christians.
Actually, a lot of Christians fought tooth and nail to abolish it...and then fought tooth and nail for civil rights for black people.
There were Christians representing both sides of it. Either way it's spun, some Christians were wrong. I'm able to admit that. It doesn't invalidate the religion.
Having said that, what basis does a non-Christian have to say it's wrong? Society? Society can change as the wind blows.
What is wrong with slavery? We just call it by a different name these days, ie. work.
In America we are tainted by the slave trading and cruel treatment of those slaves within that last few hundred years. However this was not how slaves were treated in the past (yes, I am sure that you have some proof otherwise).
How about Bible proof!
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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
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However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
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When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT
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In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
I want to see how anybody can defend how the Bible advocates slavery.
It is in the Bible and it is indefensible.
Basically, what you've done is make a declaration based on (there's no other way to put it) an ignorance of history.
Slavery, in ancient Judea, was not slavery as practiced in, say, the Confederacy. It was more like paid labor--the "slaves" were specifically NOT to be treated inhumanely. And it was for the very specific term of seven years. There was also a "Jubilee Year" cycle, at the end of which all "slaves" were released--regardless of whether or not they completed their seven-year term.
So yes, there definitely was slavery in Biblical times. But no, it was not the slavery that jumps to mind when modern people say the word.
What you had at that time was a personal battle between good and evil.
The left hand (Democrat) keeping the black man down. The right hand (Christan) trying to lift him up. The right hand dominant became Republicans. The left, the racist democrats we know so well.
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Opposition to abolitionism
Passages in the Bible on the use and regulation of slavery have been used throughout history as justification for the keeping of slaves, and for guidance in how it should be done. Therefore, when abolition was proposed, many Christians spoke vociferously against it, citing the Bible's apparent acceptance of slavery as 'proof' that it was part of the normal condition. George Whitefield, famed for his sparking of the so-called Great Awakening of American evangelicalism, campaigned, in Georgia, for the legalisation of slavery[107][108]; slavery had been outlawed in Georgia, but due to George's campaign it was legalised in 1751.
In both Europe and the United States many Christians went further, arguing that slavery was actually justified by the words and doctrines of the Bible.
[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God...it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation...it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts - Jefferson Davis, President, Confederate States of America [109]
Every hope of the existence of church and state, and of civilization itself, hangs upon our arduous effort to defeat the doctrine of Negro suffrage - Robert Dabney, a prominent 19th century Southern Presbyterian pastor
... the right of holding slaves is clearly established in the Holy Scriptures, both by precept and example - Richard Furman, President, South Carolina Baptist Convention[110][111]
And some members of fringe Christian groups like the Christian Identity movement, and the Ku Klux Klan (an organization dedicated to the "empowerment of the white race"), and Christian Reconstructionists still argue that slavery is justified by Christian doctrine today.
Basically, what you've done is make a declaration based on (there's no other way to put it) an ignorance of history.
Slavery, in ancient Judea, was not slavery as practiced in, say, the Confederacy. It was more like paid labor--the "slaves" were specifically NOT to be treated inhumanely. And it was for the very specific term of seven years. There was also a "Jubilee Year" cycle, at the end of which all "slaves" were released--regardless of whether or not they completed their seven-year term.
So yes, there definitely was slavery in Biblical times. But no, it was not the slavery that jumps to mind when modern people say the word.
Only if the slaves were of their own people. Otherwise they could own them for life! Readf the entire passage concerning slaves and the "Jubilee Year" cycle.
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Leviticus 25:39-46 (New International Version)
39 " 'If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. 40 He is to be treated as a hired worker or a temporary resident among you; he is to work for you until the Year of Jubilee. 41 Then he and his children are to be released, and he will go back to his own clan and to the property of his forefathers. 42 Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. 43 Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God.
44 " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Basically, what you've done is make a declaration based on (there's no other way to put it) an ignorance of history.
Slavery, in ancient Judea, was not slavery as practiced in, say, the Confederacy. It was more like paid labor--the
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"slaves" were specifically NOT to be treated inhumanely.
And it was for the very specific term of seven years. There was also a "Jubilee Year" cycle, at the end of which all "slaves" were released--regardless of whether or not they completed their seven-year term.
So yes, there definitely was slavery in Biblical times. But no, it was not the slavery that jumps to mind when modern people say the word.
Are you sure about that?
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When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
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