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Old 08-06-2009, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Utah
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While I do agree that J. Smith was a scam artist, I think the possibility that Jesus visited the Americas after his resurrection does exist. At least, I cannot specifically rule it out.

Most of the objectionable aspects of the Mormon church as an organization were added and encouraged by Brigham Young, though, not Joseph Smith. For example, Smith was against polygamy; Young is the one who added it as a doctrine after he was able to wrest power within the church from Smith. Smith became an exile within his own religion after Young came to power and set himself up as king.

For all the suffering and persecution Mormons endured, though, they became pretty good at it themselves; hence my earlier link to the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Lots of non-Mormons mysteriously died or disappeared after entering the area under Mormon control.
You have some very strange ideas about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members Stanman. I suggest that you browse a few official LDS sources to get a better understanding. Here's a link to a list of them, even Twitter:

Official Church Web Sites | LDS Media Talk
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Fortaleza, CE Brazil
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You have some very strange ideas about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members Stanman. I suggest that you browse a few official LDS sources to get a better understanding. Here's a link to a list of them, even Twitter:

Official Church Web Sites | LDS Media Talk

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I just wanted a greater understanding of how LDS people are treated in the United States and heard so many hard words.
Read good things from people like you.
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Old 08-06-2009, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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You have some very strange ideas about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and its members Stanman. I suggest that you browse a few official LDS sources to get a better understanding. Here's a link to a list of them, even Twitter:
Official Church Web Sites | LDS Media Talk
Why to read information about church from only church website? We should read different opinions. In fact LDS still didn't admit Mountain Meadow Massacre which is proven fact. And participation and denying in this Holocaust is disgusting.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Utah
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Why to read information about church from only church website? We should read different opinions. In fact LDS still didn't admit Mountain Meadow Massacre which is proven fact. And participation and denying in this Holocaust is disgusting.
The question from my point of view is if someone is interested in learning the truth about the religious beliefs of a particular Christian denomination, why shouldn't they also read that church's official media instead of just information provided by its apostates and enemies?

In fact, LDS leaders have formally apologized for the part some local leaders had in the "Mountain Meadows Massacre" in the 1800's. If I recall correctly that incident occured during the "Utah War" when the US army invaded Utah because of false affidavits sworn by enemies of the Latter-day Saints.

But sure, read the memo - Wiki's not always accurate, but it's a start...

P.S. About 120 people slain during a war in 1857, though tragic, does not make a "Holocaust" as people today understand that word! Are you trying to mislead readers of this board about the Latter-day Saints?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:34 AM
 
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The question from my point of view is if someone is interested in learning the truth about the religious beliefs of a particular Christian denomination, why shouldn't they also read that church's official media instead of just information provided by its apostates and enemies?

In fact, LDS leaders have formally apologized for the part some local leaders had in the "Mountain Meadows Massacre" in the 1800's. If I recall correctly that incident occured during the "Utah War" when the US army invaded Utah because of false affidavits sworn by enemies of the Latter-day Saints.

But sure, read the memo - Wiki's not always accurate, but it's a start...

P.S. About 120 people slain during a war in 1857, though tragic, does not make a "Holocaust" as people today understand that word! Are you trying to mislead readers of this board about the Latter-day Saints?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War


There's enough freaky stuff in mormon history, we don't need a massacre to denounce them. Just look at their doctrines.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Utah
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There's enough freaky stuff in mormon history, we don't need a massacre to denounce them. Just look at their doctrines.
Please do look at our doctrines...


We testify of Jesus Christ:

http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/


Introduction to our basic beliefs:

Mormon.org - Home
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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P.S. About 120 people slain during a war in 1857, though tragic, does not make a "Holocaust" as people today understand that word! Are you trying to mislead readers of this board about the Latter-day Saints?
I'm trying to show that any religion is bloodthirsty and hypocritical. LDS is not an exception. They not better and not worse then Baptists or Muslims.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:42 AM
 
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Please do look at our doctrines...


We testify of Jesus Christ:

http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/


Introduction to our basic beliefs:

Mormon.org - Home

Is Jesus God, to you? Or is he the physical descendant of God?
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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Why do people feel so threatened by mormons? Honestly, I see more wacky wierdness and illogical teachings from contemporary christian groups (who I guess are mormonism's mortal enemies).

If you ask me, I would say the ultimate charlatan is Jesus himself for starting the avalanche of competing christian churches that have probably caused more worldwide pain, death, tyranny and fear than any other religion in the history of the planet.

Vocal critics of mormons should go point their fingers at a mirror. You are no better than they are. In fact, you are the same thing.
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Old 08-06-2009, 11:48 AM
 
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I'm trying to show that any religion is bloodthirsty and hypocritical. LDS is not an exception. They not better and not worse then Baptists or Muslims.
No generalizations here.
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