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Old 08-22-2009, 03:30 PM
 
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Yes. The gist of it was correct. Evolution was a fact then just as it is now. They just didn't know as much. Believe it or not NEW STUFF has been learned and the details have been refined in the past 70 years. That's how science works, sparky.. unlike you and your cult who still believes the same shiite from 4000 years ago dreamt up by ignorant desert goatherders.
Well, what it appears we have learned, is that most of what science passed on to us as scientific fact, was BS. Now they want us to believe their new scientific facts about evolution, while they ignore the other evidence that would refute them?

Bernard Wood of George Washington University was correct. Humans did not evolve in a linear progression from apes. And Nature magazines editor Henry Gee was also correct. The recent discovery of the skull from Chad shows us, that the old idea of a (MISSING LINK) is (BUNK). And he also points out, that the idea of missing links have always been shaky, and now such a belief is completely untenable.
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Old 08-22-2009, 03:36 PM
 
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Apparently only int the "scientific" papers you read.

Tunnel vision provides its own problems.
Then it must be you who is suffering from tunnel vision, because it was Bernard Wood, of George Washington University that stated that the Toumai skull was not a (MISSING LINK).
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:06 PM
 
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When Evolutionist Bernard Wood stated that the Toumai skull was not a (MISSING LINK). His comment, was not made by a journalist.
As I said in my first post on this thread, so what? It doesn't change the fact that the ancestors of man walked the earth millions of years ago, now does it?
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:11 PM
 
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The theory of Evolution is collapsing before our very eyes, and soon, those who have embraced this theory will be like soldiers on the field of battle. Only to discover, that their commanders and generals have left them alone on the front lines. And alone, they will try to defend a theory that is also untenable. Their old beliefs, and old ideas will be like so much watered downed ammunition. That ammunition gave them a feeling of safety, until is was revealed, that it was useless when needed.
Absolutely, and soon they'll all turn to Christianity...
I like your logic. You just found a horseshoe. All you need are 3 more horseshoes and a horse.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:17 PM
 
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It was Linear Evolution that was used as evidence during the Scopes Monkey trial. Four scientist were able to convince the jury that the Piltdown Man, Java man, and others showed the progression to where we are today. Of course, that evidence was revealed as nonsense after the trial. Yet it was enought to win the case.
That tale would be more convincing if not for the fact that Scopes was found guilty in the jury trial.

Educate yourself:An introduction to the John Scopes (Monkey) Trial

Honestly. They made a movie and everything.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:20 PM
 
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Some paleontologists are also suggesting that people may not have originated in Africa. They are leaning toward Asia now. That is my thing - any theory should be treated and taught as just that. How long did we teach the "Earth was Flat" before some one disproved. I just get so aggravated at people accepting theory as truth and teaching the bunk in our schools.
It is actually a myth that it was actually "believed" by all the race of Adam that the earth was flat. Adamkind was scattered all over the globe/world beginning at time of the fall of the tower of Babel, which is when the land mass of Genesis 1 began to be divided, also, according to the Book of Jasher. Trade between nations began as soon as peoples established themselves in an area of the globe/tebel, after the scattering began.

The word for globe in Hebrew is "tebel", which is translated "world" in English from the Hebrew. Nebuchadnezzar ruled over all men in all the globe as king of kings, according to Daniel chapter 2. At the time of the writing of Daniel 2, the Olmecs in what is now Mexico, were well established, as other civilizations were, on the other side of the globe from Nebuchadnezzar. Nebuchadnezzar ruled the king -who ruled the king -who ruled the king of the Olmecs.
Dan 2:37 Thou, O king, [art] a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.
Dan 2:38- And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou [art] this head of gold.
Travel between the continents was curtailed in the "west" after 400 AD and the Barbarian invasions of the Roman Empire; but there is evidence of travel continuing from Africa and Asia to the western continents in the writings left by those who came, and who traded goods with those of the western continents. Barry Fell's Saga America and America B.C. has a lot of information on the travels of that time and the evidences of them, but Fell was not a Bible Believing Christian and did not even know that Nebuchadnezzar ruled the kings who ruled the kings who ruled the kings of the western continent civilizations. He did report evidences of the Pharaoh of Egypt ruling the kings of a civilization in South America, as well as trade between Egypt and that civilization.
There is evidence that trade between Egypt and South American civilizations did go on, because cocaine has been found in Egyptian mummies.
Also, that trade went on world/globe wide during that time is in Isaiah 23 and in Ezekiel 27. Even grain from Egypt was traded world wide by the merchants crossing the seas.

Isa 23:1-
The burden of Tyre. Howl, ye ships of Tarshish; for it is laid waste, so that there is no house, no entering in: from the land of Chittim it is revealed to them. Be still, ye inhabitants of the isle; thou whom the merchants of Zidon, that pass over the sea, have replenished. And by great waters the seed of Sihor, the harvest of the river, [is] her revenue; and she is a mart of nations.
Eze 27:3 And say unto Tyrus, O thou that art situate at the entry of the sea, [which art] a merchant of the people for many isles, Thus saith the Lord GOD; O Tyrus, thou hast said, I [am] of perfect beauty.
Eze 27:33 When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou filledst many people; thou didst enrich the kings of the earth with the multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise.
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Old 08-22-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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A new skull discovery made in the African republice of Chad now has Bernard Wood, of George Washington University, Washingtone DC, now suggesting that this new discovery is giving strength to the arguement that humans (DID NOT EVOLVE IN A LINEAR PROGRESSION FROM APES THAT ROAMED THE PLANET 10 MILLION YEARS AGO.)

This same discovery, also has the Editor and paleontologist Henry Gee of Nature magazine saying, and this is a quote.

Whatever the outcome, the skull shows, once and for all, that the (OLD IDEA OF A MISSING LINK IS BUNK...) It should now be quite plain that the very idea of the missing link, always shaky, is now completely untenable.

The theory of Evolution is collapsing before our very eyes, and soon, those who have embraced this theory will be like soldiers on the field of battle. Only to discover, that their commanders and generals have left them alone on the front lines. And alone, they will try to defend a theory that is also untenable. Their old beliefs, and old ideas will be like so much watered downed ammunition. That ammunition gave them a feeling of safety, until is was revealed, that it was useless when needed.

News in Science - A heady discovery - 15/07/2002 (http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s605620.htm - broken link)
What does this prove, that Evolution is BS? No. It just puts the time line a little further back then they originally thought. Look at the freaking skull, is that the skull of a homo sapien? No, it was just a old ancestors skull, and thats still up to speculation, the skull is still being tested.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:01 PM
 
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Well, what it appears we have learned, is that most of what science passed on to us as scientific fact, was BS. Now they want us to believe their new scientific facts about evolution, while they ignore the other evidence that would refute them?

Bernard Wood of George Washington University was correct. Humans did not evolve in a linear progression from apes. And Nature magazines editor Henry Gee was also correct. The recent discovery of the skull from Chad shows us, that the old idea of a (MISSING LINK) is (BUNK). And he also points out, that the idea of missing links have always been shaky, and now such a belief is completely untenable.
I've posted several times in this forum regarding the total LACK of linear progression--of various bipedal hominids living contemporaneously in Africa before the evolution of Homo erectus and the subsequent NUMEROUS migrations out of Africa.

http://web.mit.edu/ealba/www/hominidtimeline.jpg (broken link)

This article proves absolutely nothing. Any biological Anthropologist worth his degree dismisses the idea of a "missing link" anyway. Scholarship in the last twenty years or so has moved away from that idea. We don't need a missing link in order to see the evolution from Homo erectus to Homo antecessor and Homo heidelbergensis (archaic Homo sapien) to Homo sapien sapien.

By the way, Sahelanthropus tchadensis was first found in 2002. I learned about this little guy when I first began my undergraduate degree. This is nothing new under the sun, anthropologically speaking.

There is no need to create a war between faith and science. Science explains "how"; to the biblical believer, faith explains "why". I've known deeply devout Christians who are excellent scientists and excellent scientists who are deeply devout Christians. Faith only becomes a problem when you insist upon dismissing the overwhelming scientific evidence for evolution because it goes against your biblical creation story.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:08 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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Humans did not evolve in a linear progression from apes.
I thought this was common knowledge now. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems you think that evolution must occur linearly to occur at all.
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Old 08-22-2009, 06:23 PM
 
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Well, what it appears we have learned, is that most of what science passed on to us as scientific fact, was BS. Now they want us to believe their new scientific facts about evolution, while they ignore the other evidence that would refute them?
On the contrary, scientists always listen to refutations from other qualified scientists, as long as they are legitimately presented using the scientific review process. Evolution has withstood over 150 years of such proceedings.


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Bernard Wood of George Washington University was correct. Humans did not evolve in a linear progression from apes.
That's correct. Shall we go over this again? Humans ARE apes, and along with our fellow ape cousins we evolved in a somewhat branching meandering progression from ape-like ancestors.

Really, you keep repeating all this as if it is victory for creationism, when in fact it is SCIENTISTS who have corrected, updated and refined evolutionary theory. This is a TRIBUTE to science, not an indictment.

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And Nature magazines editor Henry Gee was also correct. The recent discovery of the skull from Chad shows us, that the old idea of a (MISSING LINK) is (BUNK). And he also points out, that the idea of missing links have always been shaky, and now such a belief is completely untenable.
Blah blah blah. You're a typical creationist broken record.

Please, just slither back under whatever rock you squeezed out from under. Hibernate, spawn - do whatever it is you do there, just spare us from your incessant ignorant blathering.
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