Jesus Who! (Pilate, faith, Christian, evolution)

[pladecalvo]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I don't know if you have an elephant living in your house, but Jesus is living in me.

That's as maybe but the question was....where is the contemporaneous evidence to support his existence?

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by lammius

Kwanzaa is not a religious holiday. It's a cultural one, begun in California in 1966.

Thanks, I stand corrected.

[irishmom]

Originally Posted by stretch00

The Koran referring to Jesus is also not evidence of the existence of Jesus. It simply means that the story of christianity was widely known.

Ah but if you go by that method of history then you would have to erase many historical figures, not just Jesus, wouldn't you.

Read this and then what do you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

[stretch00]

Tacitus was a Roman historian. He did refer to christians, and Christus, but he also wrote about 80-100 years after the events of the crucifixion.

We do not know where Tacitus heard about christianity, and he may not have been doing anything other than passing along a rumor.

This does not rise to the level of evidence for the existence of JC.

[irishmom]

Originally Posted by I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA

I don't know if you have an elephant living in your house, but Jesus is living in me.

Well then by all means let him out so everyone can see him!

sorry couldn't help myself.

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by burdell

And we might also say that in some quarters Allah is a hated name, or Vishnu, or many others. And all too often I see people being accused of hate for no other reason than they don't believe what someone else does.

We might.

Originally Posted by burdell

You know my beliefs? What makes you think you would know my beliefs from a very tiny sampling of my opinion on different things? There are times and some things about which I'm not even 100% sure what my belief is and I make no apology for that. Good, bad, or indifferent it's the truth.

Whoa, burdell. I wasn't trying to upset you. I've always enjoyed your posts and maybe you misinterpreted what I was trying to say. This keyboard doesn't do a good job conveying that sometimes. I just thought, maybe I'm wrong, that you were an atheist or agnostic...at the very least, I didn't know that what I was saying about the name of Christ would ring true for you.

I apologize for my comments and certainly didn't mean to offend you. I'm very glad I was wrong, actually!

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by stretch00

Tacitus was a Roman historian. He did refer to christians, and Christus, but he also wrote about 80-100 years after the events of the crucifixion.

We do not know where Tacitus heard about christianity, and he may not have been doing anything other than passing along a rumor.

This does not rise to the level of evidence for the existence of JC.

.....for you....

[Alpha8207]

Originally Posted by irishmom

Well then by all means let him out so everyone can see him!

She does....every day here in her posts.

sorry, just couldn't help myself

[stretch00]

Originally Posted by irishmom

Ah but if you go by that method of history then you would have to erase many historical figures, not just Jesus, wouldn't you.

Read this and then what do you think?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

Coming to the end of lunch, so no time to read it at the moment. A very, very quick perusal does show a total of 5 wikipedia cautions about bias or lack of references.

I think it reasonable to discredit documents such as the koran when speaking of JC. After all, it was written 600+ years after the time of the bible (how much do you know about the 15th century?), it was not written as a scholarly work, it was from a completely different culture.

[I LOVE NORTH CAROLINA]

Originally Posted by pladecalvo

That's as maybe but the question was....where is the contemporaneous evidence to support his existence?

Have you looked at the sky, the sun, the moon, all He created?