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Old 05-06-2007, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Depending on what bible you read, Nazareth is described as a city or a town but in the 1st century it wasn't either, it was a cemetary. Nazareth did not exist as a town/city until the end of the third century CE.

Nazareth is not mentioned in any historical records of the time and receives no mention by any contemporary historian. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Talmud, nor in the Apocrypha and it does not appear in any early rabbinic literature. Nazareth was not included in the list of settlements of the tribes of Zebulon which mentions twelve towns and six villages. Nazareth is not included among the 45 cities of Galilee that were mentioned by Josephus. Nazareth is also missing from the 63 towns of Galilee mentioned in the Talmud.

Exhaustive archaeological studies have been done by Franciscans to prove that such a town existed but actually they have shown the site to have been a cemetery during the first century CE.

How did we get a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist?
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:38 PM
 
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Depending on what bible you read, Nazareth is described as a city or a town but in the 1st century it wasn't either, it was a cemetary. Nazareth did not exist as a town/city until the end of the third century CE.

Nazareth is not mentioned in any historical records of the time and receives no mention by any contemporary historian. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Talmud, nor in the Apocrypha and it does not appear in any early rabbinic literature. Nazareth was not included in the list of settlements of the tribes of Zebulon which mentions twelve towns and six villages. Nazareth is not included among the 45 cities of Galilee that were mentioned by Josephus. Nazareth is also missing from the 63 towns of Galilee mentioned in the Talmud.

Exhaustive archaeological studies have been done by Franciscans to prove that such a town existed but actually they have shown the site to have been a cemetery during the first century CE.

How did we get a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist?
Go to this website to learn about Nazareth: http://www.bibleplaces.com/nazareth.htm

It is said that archaeological excavations have confirmed that the city was only a small agricultural village during the Hellenistic and Roman periods.

It also states that a Byzantine church was built over the place where it is believed that the angel Gabriel announced the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary.
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Old 05-06-2007, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Go to this website to learn about Nazareth: http://www.bibleplaces.com/nazareth.htm

It is said that archaeological excavations have confirmed that the city was only a small agricultural village during the Hellenistic and Roman periods.

It also states that a Byzantine church was built over the place where it is believed that the angel Gabriel announced the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary.
My research has shown that it wasn't even a "small agricultural village". The archaeolagical finds at the site have been mainly funary items. Either way, it certainly wasn't a city or even a town as described in the bible.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:18 PM
 
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Depending on what bible you read, Nazareth is described as a city or a town but in the 1st century it wasn't either, it was a cemetary. Nazareth did not exist as a town/city until the end of the third century CE.

Nazareth is not mentioned in any historical records of the time and receives no mention by any contemporary historian. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Old Testament, the Talmud, nor in the Apocrypha and it does not appear in any early rabbinic literature. Nazareth was not included in the list of settlements of the tribes of Zebulon which mentions twelve towns and six villages. Nazareth is not included among the 45 cities of Galilee that were mentioned by Josephus. Nazareth is also missing from the 63 towns of Galilee mentioned in the Talmud.

Exhaustive archaeological studies have been done by Franciscans to prove that such a town existed but actually they have shown the site to have been a cemetery during the first century CE.

How did we get a Jesus of Nazareth when Nazareth didn't exist?
you went to all this trouble of this post to disprove a movie title??
didn't you already make this statement in my post about the movie??
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:34 PM
 
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you went to all this trouble of this post to disprove a movie title??
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didn't you already make this statement in my post about the movie??
I'm now offering Nazareth as a subject for debate. What's the problem? It has nothing to do with your 'movie'!
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Old 11-09-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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When people wander through the wilderness it is common to discover ghost towns or ruins that no one has ever mentioned before. So I believe that's probably what happened to a lot of the towns that were around in Jesus' time.



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https://www.britannica.com/place/Nazareth-Israel The etymology of the city’s name is uncertain; it is not mentioned in the Old Testament or rabbinic literature; the first reference is in the New Testament (John 1). The contempt in which this then insignificant village was held is expressed in the same chapter (“Can anything good come out of Nazareth?”). From there, Jesus went to perform his first miracle, that of the changing of water to wine at Cana (John 2). Nazareth had a Jewish population in Jesus’ time; its Christian holy places are first mentioned after Christianity became the state religion of the Roman Empire (313 CE). The only site in Nazareth that can be definitely identified as dating back to New Testament times is the town well, now called St. Mary’s Well;
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Old 11-09-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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However when we look for historical confirmation of this hometown of a god – surprise, surprise! – no other source confirms that the place even existed in the 1st century AD.
• Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament. The Book of Joshua (19.10,16) – in what it claims is the process of settlement by the tribe of Zebulon in the area – records twelve towns and six villages and yet omits any 'Nazareth' from its list.
• The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does early rabbinic literature.
St Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221 times, Nazareth not at all.
• No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.



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Yet for all their creative interpretations even the Franciscans cannot disguise the fact that the lack of evidence for a pre-Jesus village at the Nazareth site is virtually total.


https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html

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Old 11-09-2019, 04:51 PM
 
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When people wander through the wilderness it is common to discover ghost towns or ruins that no one has ever mentioned before. So I believe that's probably what happened to a lot of the towns that were around in Jesus' time.
That is the vaguest excuse of an 'explanation' that i have ever heard.
The way the evidence is looking is that there was no Town of Nazareth in Jesus' day. There is room for some better evidence than a few rooms dug into a hillside, but so far it doesn't look like a town.

What seems likely from the scanty history is that, after the Jewish war, some people were settled in a town named for the area of 'Nazareth' (Gen - Nessaret, after with lake Gennesaret is named). That's when we had a town of Nazareth.

Assuming there was a real Jesus, he was probably born and brought up in Capernaum. That might still make him 'from Nazareth', but not the town - if it didn't exist.
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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gosh, whoever came up with that story, could have at least checked with basic history/geography of the times and area. Nothing wrong with Jesus from Capernaum, really.

But thanks for the OP, I didn't realize that bogus aspect .....
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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That is the vaguest excuse of an 'explanation' that i have ever heard.
The way the evidence is looking is that there was no Town of Nazareth in Jesus' day. There is room for some better evidence than a few rooms dug into a hillside, but so far it doesn't look like a town.

What seems likely from the scanty history is that, after the Jewish war, some people were settled in a town named for the area of 'Nazareth' (Gen - Nessaret, after with lake Gennesaret is named). That's when we had a town of Nazareth.

Assuming there was a real Jesus, he was probably born and brought up in Capernaum. That might still make him 'from Nazareth', but not the town - if it didn't exist.
Great, the Atheist comes up with the best post lol, I just know it was in Galilee, in the land of Zebulun, in Israel, not Judea.
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