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Old 02-18-2015, 10:24 AM
 
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First, I'll say that I am against extremism, regardless of the religion involved. But this isn't about extremism- only the topic of religion in general.

In recent years, I've heard a lot of this viewpoint; current example:
Article: If You Want Well-Adjusted Children, Bring Them Up Without Religion | OpEdNews

Where do these individuals get the idea that giving a child a religion and/or teaching a child about a religion is destructive and wrong?
Why do they think it's somehow better to give children nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice, no foundation?
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:33 AM
 
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First, I'll say that I am against extremism, regardless of the religion involved. But this isn't about extremism- only the topic of religion in general.

In recent years, I've heard a lot of this viewpoint; current example:
Article: If You Want Well-Adjusted Children, Bring Them Up Without Religion | OpEdNews

Where do these individuals get the idea that giving a child a religion and/or teaching a child about a religion is destructive and wrong?
Why do they think it's somehow better to give children nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice, no foundation?
Why do you equate not raising a child with religion to "giving them nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice and no foundation"?
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:37 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Why do you equate not raising a child with religion to "giving them nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice and no foundation"?
That struck me too.

A non-theist can certainly instill in their children an ethical moral standard of behaviour based on the Golden Rule.

What else is required to live a decent, honourable life?
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Old 02-18-2015, 10:49 AM
 
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First, I'll say that I am against extremism, regardless of the religion involved. But this isn't about extremism- only the topic of religion in general.

In recent years, I've heard a lot of this viewpoint; current example:
Article: If You Want Well-Adjusted Children, Bring Them Up Without Religion | OpEdNews

Where do these individuals get the idea that giving a child a religion and/or teaching a child about a religion is destructive and wrong?
Why do they think it's somehow better to give children nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice, no foundation?
Your premise is believe in religion or nothing.

Religion has been destructive and wrong. Religion treats women as chattel, not worthy of the pulpit. Religion is the value of OR ELSE.
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:15 PM
 
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Why do they think it's somehow better to give children nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice, no foundation?
So is non-religious a dirty word?
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:29 PM
 
Location: California side of the Sierras
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First, I'll say that I am against extremism, regardless of the religion involved. But this isn't about extremism- only the topic of religion in general.

In recent years, I've heard a lot of this viewpoint; current example:
Article: If You Want Well-Adjusted Children, Bring Them Up Without Religion | OpEdNews

Where do these individuals get the idea that giving a child a religion and/or teaching a child about a religion is destructive and wrong?
Why do they think it's somehow better to give children nothing to believe in, nothing meaningful to practice, no foundation?
How does it benefit a child to be taught to believe that literary myths are reality?
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:39 PM
 
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So is non-religious a dirty word?
(I honestly did not foresee the way this thread would go, but I'll jump in to reply to your post)

To answer your question from my POV: no, not at all.

What I am saying- examples:

Why is it considered o.k. to tell a child "We're athiests," but not o.k. to tell a child "We're Presbyterians"

Why is it considered o.k. to tell one's child "God does not exist; the Bible is made-up nonsense," but not o.k. to tell him "God is real; the Bible is important"?

And why is it considered o.k. to take the approach "I want my child to make up his own mind," but not give him any information on which to base making up his own mind? (This example is mainly re: LITTLE children who ask questions)
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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(I honestly did not foresee the way this thread would go, but I'll jump in to reply to your post)

To answer your question from my POV: no, not at all.

What I am saying- examples:

Why is it considered o.k. to tell a child "We're athiests," but not o.k. to tell a child "We're Presbyterians"

Why is it considered o.k. to tell one's child "God does not exist; the Bible is made-up nonsense," but not o.k. to tell him "God is real; the Bible is important"?

And why is it considered o.k. to take the approach "I want my child to make up his own mind," but not give him any information on which to base making up his own mind? (This example is mainly re: LITTLE children who ask questions)
Tia, who is telling you its not okay to tell your child that you are a Presbyterian, or God is real, or the Bible is important?

And why do you think that allowing your child to make up their own mind means not giving them any information to help them do so?

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Old 02-18-2015, 12:47 PM
 
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(I honestly did not foresee the way this thread would go, but I'll jump in to reply to your post)

To answer your question from my POV: no, not at all.

What I am saying- examples:

Why is it considered o.k. to tell a child "We're athiests," but not o.k. to tell a child "We're Presbyterians"

Why is it considered o.k. to tell one's child "God does not exist; the Bible is made-up nonsense," but not o.k. to tell him "God is real; the Bible is important"?

And why is it considered o.k. to take the approach "I want my child to make up his own mind," but not give him any information on which to base making up his own mind? (This example is mainly re: LITTLE children who ask questions)

Then why did you say what you did about providing a child with no meaning in life and no foundation?

I will leave your first two questions unanswered as I have never heard anyone say those things

On your last paragraph I suspect that most atheist provide as much if not more info on religion than religious parents provide their children with info on athesism. How is it possible for a child to not grow up without knowing somewhat about Christianity or the Bible from culture. From the same culture one can hear or read all kinds of claims about how bad atheists are fromj some of the Christians.
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Old 02-18-2015, 12:55 PM
 
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Tia, who is telling you its not okay to tell your child that you are a Prebyteriasn, or God is real, or the Bible is important?

And why do you think that allowing your child to make up their own mind means not giving them any information to help them do so?
To add to this, I think the balance is, as a parent who is a Presbyterian you can share what you believe with your child, why you believe it, and how it has impacted your life while still giving them the room to do their own exploring, right? And an atheist can do the same thing. Just by sharing your own thought process you are modeling for your child one way that they might go about making their own decisions. If you've also taught them, and modeled for them, how to treat others along the way, what more do they need?
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