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Old 12-28-2009, 10:44 AM
 
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You realize that just because YOU are Christians doesn't mean your children will be too. Even if you do your darndest to raise your children in the Christian faith is no guarantee they will follow. And since the outcome of not being a Christian is an eternity of suffering, why risk bringing a child into the world who just may spend forever in the lake of fire?

What say ye, Xtians?
It is a commandment of God "Be fruitfull and Multiply". We are all God's children and God wanted many Children.

It is also written "Raise up a child in the way they shall go and in the end they will not depart from it". So we are to raise our children to be christian.

Many people claim to be Christian, but do not raise their Children this way. Either the parrents are lazy, don't know how to raise children, or are not really Christian (they claim to be, but really they just mean something like they are not Satanists or Budists, etc.).

Yes, a Child, even with the best of training can fall away and end up in hell. But, we are each individuals that must stand alone before God and give an account of what we have done on this earth. So there is a point that the parrent has done all they could do. But I think that even when our children are grown it is still the role of the parrent to pray for the child and give advice when asked.

It is written, "The ferverent prayer of a righteous man availeth much". So, we keep praying for our children, until death separates us. In this we have fullfilled what is required of us here on the earth and we can stand before God with a clear concience.
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:53 AM
 
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As Christians, we know God personally, so we don't think that our children are destined for hell. We expect them to go to heaven.

There is a chance that they will be disobedient against all we do. And in that day they will have to pay the price. It is written that "God will wipe away all our tears". For in that day we will see his righteousness and grace, his purity and holyness. God is more rightous and gracious then we can imagine and he will judge, not like we judge based on the out appearance, but he will judge the intensions of the heart.
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Old 12-28-2009, 10:54 AM
 
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Greetings,
Raising children is not always easy. They bring joy and love into your life also. Think to your self how would like to see them turn out. If it went your way?
Train them up the way they should go and they will return. Again I agree with Nikk.
Pray for them.
When you stand before God your judged for what you do - nobody else. So do a good job and dont let fear and dout make your decisions.

Be Blessed
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Old 12-28-2009, 11:20 AM
 
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As Christians, we know God personally, so we don't think that our children are destined for hell. We expect them to go to heaven.
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There is a chance that they will be disobedient against all we do. And in that day they will have to pay the price.
The price being an eternity of suffering. Nice.
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Old 12-28-2009, 12:24 PM
 
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Some of the christians (who have extreme views) should also give out free condoms to all the non-christian people in this world. Each sexual act will be a victory as it will save a potentially hell-bound baby. Maybe the pope can lead this charge - save future friers and save people in this planet from STDs?
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:05 PM
 
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Why?



The price being an eternity of suffering. Nice.
Why, because we a raising them to go in the direction of life. God is good and to be a Christian is good. It is evil that brings suffering.

The price is eternal suffering for those who reject God. It is not nice. It is a clear danger that anyone of us can fall into.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:11 PM
 
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Some of the christians (who have extreme views) should also give out free condoms to all the non-christian people in this world. Each sexual act will be a victory as it will save a potentially hell-bound baby. Maybe the pope can lead this charge - save future friers and save people in this planet from STDs?
This is not biblical. God commanded that we "be fruitful and multiply". This commandment is for all humans. The reason is that regardless of our upbringing some will end up in hell and some will end up in heaven. Even the ungodly can produce righteous offspring, for the children will see what not to do.

STD's are prevented if you do not have sex with multiple partners. If you have sex with one person for life, who you know is free of disease, then you will not spread STD's. That is why God's way is best. To be married to a person of the opposite sex and marry while both are virgin's.
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Old 12-28-2009, 01:23 PM
 
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This is not biblical. God commanded that we "be fruitful and multiply". This commandment is for all humans. The reason is that regardless of our upbringing some will end up in hell and some will end up in heaven. Even the ungodly can produce righteous offspring, for the children will see what not to do..
Wow - amazing language and associatedModerator cut: deleted as inappropriate Arent you ungodly since you do not believe in Islam? Would the righteous offspring be a Buddhist or a Hindu? How do you know other than it comes from a bible? Your god is spreading his word in the form of different books - go figure. He tells buddhists/sikhs/jews/muslims/ etc to raise kids differently. At the very least, it looks like different gods got together and distributed the "areas of influence" - just like the mafia dons.

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STD's are prevented if you do not have sex with multiple partners. If you have sex with one person for life, who you know is free of disease, then you will not spread STD's. That is why God's way is best. To be married to a person of the opposite sex and marry while both are virgin's.
I think the world has moved on into a new century although mullahs in Afghanistan and Saudi will certainly agree with you.

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Old 12-28-2009, 03:17 PM
 
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I think the question itself is based on a presumption about faith that I notice in many a dialogue, that faith is motivated solely by the negative in human nature--fear, anxiety, disassociation--rather than the positive--intuition, love, communion.

Can I deny that many are motivated by base emotions? No. Do I deny the broad brush posed at me. Well, of course. Absolutely. But which of us is really bristling?
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Old 12-28-2009, 08:24 PM
 
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I really do think the concept of never ending suffering is lost on some people.Hypothetical? To a Christian, there are only two destinations in eternity. Bliss or horror.
I'm Catholic. Yes ultimately there's just Heaven and Hell, but our beliefs aren't solely based in the Bible and we accept Purgatory as a temporary position

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Calling the question "moronic" and "stupid" is a cop-out. What is obvious is that many Christians don't want to face the implications of their beliefs, and they don't like to be confronted with them either.
The "moronic and stupid" answer is not a "cop out" it is an actual answer. The question essentially presumes that people will or should automatically consider the worst-case scenario even when procreating. Actual human beings do not work like that. It also presumes things of how Christians understand the Bible or that an atheist/non-theist interpretation of the Bible is the only valid one. Actual Christians do not work like that. We do not consult "Asimov's Guide to the Bible" when we make decisions.

Now it's possible some militant atheists do have psychological abnormalities that would cause them to read text in the most literal-minded fashion and live based on a Utilitarian cost-benefit analysis. If you go by a mix of literal-mindedness and cost-benefit analysis the question is not stupid, but this is not how most people live. Most of us are not psychologically abnormal in that way and aren't interested in becoming so.

So I suppose "moronic and stupid" is misleading. Instead the question is more absurd and deranged. I doubt you'll find that at all comforting, but to say the question is sensible in a human sense is just not realistic.
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