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Old 02-18-2010, 06:59 AM
 
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If you guys want to see evolution in action, rent Aliens of the Deep, James Cameron's deep ocean exploration documentary.

We *are* evolving. Even humans. Take a look at the average height of a human today, two hundred years ago, and a thousand years ago, as but one example.

The flu virus evolves all the time, if it wasn't evolving, they wouldn't have to make a new vaccine shot for it every year.

Here is a lab-conducted, peer-reviewed, duplicated experiment that demonstrates a major evolutionary shift in e coli bacteria. Let me repeat, peer-reviewed, duplicated, corroborated, everything necessary to make a scientific hypothesis into a full blown theory supported by factual evidence.

I can look out my window and see evolution happening. Ten years ago, these trees and empty fields were populated with red-tail hawks. Subdivisions and roads were built, now the sky is populated by turkey vultures. That's natural selection at work, which is the fulcrum of evolution.
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:34 AM
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I was taught creationism in school (private christian one of course) and even then I knew the earth could not be 6000 years old... just didn't make sense. Now I also don't buy the evolution thing for the same logical reasons... why aren't there evolving animals now... No one has ever given me a satisfactory answer.. and NO "given enough time" is not a satisfactory answer..

Anyway.. I consider both before life and after death to be two things I may never know more about (well except the after death thing LOL).. so why bother trying to hash it out?

Personally I think it's a waste of time to try to figure out something that cannot be proven.
Well don't waste your time then waiting to see evolution in action. Personally I'm happy that all creatures have and continue to evolve, otherwise we'd probably still be swinging from trees trying to stay out of the reach of sabre toothed cats and giant cave bears, horses would be three toed animals the size of foxes. Evolution of the horse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dogs would still be just one more animal with us on the menu. (I love my dog) It took two and a half million years for humans to evolve to the point we are today, and we continue to evolve, but don't hold your breath waiting to see it. That is unless you manage to live for hundreds of thousand of years.

The pace of human evolution has been increasing at a stunning rate since our ancestors began spreading through Europe, Asia and Africa 40,000 years ago, quickening to 100 times historical levels after agriculture became widespread, according to a study published today.

By examining more than 3 million variants of DNA in 269 people, researchers identified about 1,800 genes that have been widely adopted in relatively recent times because they offer some evolutionary benefit.

Altogether, the recent genetic changes account for 7% of the human genome, according to the study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. One of the most famous examples is the spread of a gene that allows adults to digest milk.

Study finds humans are still evolving -- and quickly - Los Angeles Times

In biology, evolution is the process by which populations of organisms acquire and pass on novel traits from generation to generation. Its occurrence over large stretches of time explains the origin of new species and ultimately the vast diversity of the biological world. Contemporary species are related to each other through common descent, products of evolution and speciation over billions of years.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:00 AM
 
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If random mutation and natural selection are at work, then evolution happens. The evidence just confirms that it did in the past. Nothing special about that.

Young earth creationism in particular is up there with the belief of a flat earth. It is blind faith that is in conflict with science and even simple observation. When a creationists says that they are only against the teaching of the theory of evolution, they really mean that they are against most scientific discoveries in the modern world. It's not just our current understanding of biology that their belief comes into conflict with, it goes against archeology,history, physics and mathematics.

CD is proof of that. All you have to do is peruse the threads and you will see some form of "creationist vs anyone" thread(and I do mean anyone, even most christians don't believe in such tripe).
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:37 AM
 
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After some 2000 years living on the planet...why is it humans have not developed a more suitable coat of fur to keep warm in colder regions....being evolution is part of adaptation in certain enviroments.

It would be in likeness of other animals that is said we are birthed or evolved from by evolutionists.
If we carry the genes of Ape...it would or should show up in that adaptation in certain regions that Humans produce more hair because of the cold enviroment, and hence the opposite for warm enviroments...But it seems it is not the case of over 2000 years of existance...wonder why that is overlooked by the evolutionists...for all other life seems adapted for life in its enviroment except for Humans!

funny how that is.
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Old 02-18-2010, 08:49 AM
 
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After some 2000 years living on the planet...why is it humans have not developed a more suitable coat of fur to keep warm in colder regions....being evolution is part of adaptation in certain enviroments.
Because humans evolved other suitable methods of dealing with the cold.

Have you ever noticed that cold weather ancestors tend to be larger, barrel chested, and carry more fat than hot weather humans several thousand years ago?

Gee, could that be because thicker torsos and a layer of fat help retain heat?

Ever notice those same northern ancestors tend to have much more body hair than, say, our ancestors in Africa?

Ever notice that they have an entirely different style of clothing and shelter that changed the requirements of pigmentation in skin and hair?
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:02 AM
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After some 2000 years living on the planet...why is it humans have not developed a more suitable coat of fur to keep warm in colder regions....being evolution is part of adaptation in certain enviroments.

It would be in likeness of other animals that is said we are birthed or evolved from by evolutionists.
If we carry the genes of Ape...it would or should show up in that adaptation in certain regions that Humans produce more hair because of the cold enviroment, and hence the opposite for warm enviroments...But it seems it is not the case of over 2000 years of existance...wonder why that is overlooked by the evolutionists...for all other life seems adapted for life in its enviroment except for Humans!

funny how that is.
It is not overlooked at all...Humans learned to control their environment...Clothing, fire, shelters etc., so extra hair is not needed...By the way we are apes....Why do you suppose humans who evolved in hot climates have dark skin, and even though we all originated in Africa the people who migrated to colder climates now have light skin?
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:23 AM
 
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After some 2000 years living on the planet...
2000 years?????

Hell Sir Dude, it's been 2010 years since the possible death of your Christ. But assuming that this was a typo...

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why is it humans have not developed a more suitable coat of fur to keep warm in colder regions....being evolution is part of adaptation in certain enviroments.
Actually, humans have adapted all sorts of traits related to climate, that is precisely why we have different "races", external adaptations based upon climate.

[If we carry the genes of Ape...it would or should show up in that adaptation in certain regions that Humans produce more hair because of the cold enviroment, and hence the opposite for warm enviroments...But it seems it is not the case of over 2000 years of existance...wonder why that is overlooked by the evolutionists...for all other life seems adapted for life in its enviroment except for Humans![/quote]

Oh, goodness. It wasn't a typo!

2,000 years? Even your book dates human civilization clearly indicates that humans have populated the earth for far longer than 2,000 years!

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funny how that is.
Your ignorance would be funny if it weren't so tragic.

Goodness where does one start?

Look, I'm not here to teach the entire history of human evolution, there are library's and online articles and documentary's aplenty on the internet that can fill in the abyss in your knowledge of human evolution, so allow me to very, very briefly make the following short very short points.

Well before the arrival of modern humans, our first bipedal ancestors were able to travel for far longer distances than their quadropodal kin, as a result, "fur" became an inefficient method for dissipating body heat, over millions of years that inefficiency was lost due to adaptation.

Modern humans, didn't leave the confines of Africa until 50,000 years ago. According to the latest research modern humans didn't even attempt to remain settled in northern climes until some 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. Now believe it or not, but humans had figured out that animal skins and a thing called fire could actually keep them cool, so why would the body need to revert to a fur covering to retain body heat? But having said that, the body of humans have made minor adaptations as a result of climate, hence the different appearance of humans, based upon the area in which they habituate!

White Europeans evolved only ‘5,500 years ago’ - Times Online
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:40 AM
 
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i never thought you went from believing u were CREATED in God's OWN image and likeness to you evolving from apes..... honestly??? do you question why ... for 6,000 or 12,000 years... ANY kind of living thing has stopped evolving but just continued to sprout same "evolved" form???
Evolution works on Geologic time. Without the geological timeline and references in differing habitats it would not have been noticed. The true miracle of evolution is that Darwin was able to piece the whole thing together into a cogent, workable theory. It took hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years to change the claw into a fingernail.
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:52 AM
 
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Sir LEs made a valid point indeed. if evolution as studied and observed by scientists is true. Alaskans need not use fire or animal skin to keep warm. some evolutionary mutation/adaptation to their ALWAYS cold surroundings MUST and should have gone on in their skin to keep them warm. nice one sir les. after all, some insects adapt the color of the tree they are clinging to survive. survival of the fittest. isn't it?
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Old 02-18-2010, 09:57 AM
 
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Sir LEs made a valid point indeed.
No he didn't you simply ignored the 3 posts that refuted his claim. Based on experience, It seems that self-inflicted ignorance is the only way creationism survives
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