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Old 04-14-2010, 08:13 PM
 
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Anecdotal evidences (words of mouth that heard from others and then from some others) do not count.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:18 PM
 
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Find a single sentence that was from your God, and provide your supporting evidence.
Anecdotal evidences (words of mouth that heard from others and then from some others) do not count.
Fair enough; in that case prove to me that you issued this challenge.
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Old 04-14-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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God isn't a scientific theory. If you don't want to believe in God then don't.

Still there are the six constants referred to in atheist Martin Rees book "Just Six Numbers." He took this is as evidence there are multiple Universes, but this is a conjecture not really supported by any evidence. God or some kind of minded "First Cause" is maybe no more implausible. (I'm aware of De Grasse Tyson's emphasis on all the things in life that seem flawed or can kill us, but that's only an argument against perfection which is not necessarily relevant to religions that don't believe in a "Best of all Possible Worlds" outlook. It also doesn't deal with the unlikeliness of life itself)

There is also Fatima, Lanciano, Lourdes, various incorrupted bodies, numerous miracles relating to canonization of varied saints, and so forth. If you want to expand beyond my religion there are also various miracles attributed to other religions.

So from science, history, and human experience I think you can easily come up with...

It is plausible there is some kind of God.

There is some kind of supernatural or inexplicable force that occasionally impacts human life.

Eliminating contradictions in incidents this God/force wants us to pray, repent our wrongdoings, and help others.

Granted a very vague religion of "Pray and help others" is not all I believe, and is not enough to be a religion, but I think you could say it's a core element of what I believe. The core of Christianity is in a way "You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart, and with your whole soul, and with your whole mind, and with your whole strength; you shall love your neighbor as yourself." So I guess you could say I'm saying those two sentences are of God.
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Old 04-14-2010, 10:44 PM
 
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I think that's fair, all I ask in return is that you keep your beliefs out of my life.
In my day to day life I rarely even mention my beliefs to atheists. (Traditionally I'm strongly connected to a college so I did deal with some atheists) If they're not going to get in my face about "the Catholics" I'm not going to bother them.

However it's not reasonable to expect everyone in the world will always remain silent about their beliefs or not allow their beliefs to effect their politics. Atheists will sometimes bother me about "what the Catholics are doing", or did, even if it has nothing to do with my life. (I'm not enslaving eighteenth century Indians or burning condoms in Uganda, nor is anyone I know doing those) However they care about things so it's unreasonable to demand they'll never mention that. It's unreasonable to expect I won't care about the unborn, the dying, the congenitally disabled (granted I'd care about that even if I were atheist), or sexual morality.

At the same time I have no interest in specifically Catholic laws. Like laws banning homosexuality, remarriage after divorce, or contraception. I'm not even really opposed to some kind of same-sex civil union. There was a time I was even good with human cloning. I think the main reason I've changed on human cloning is because cloned animals seem unhealthy, you have to abort a fair amount before you get a successful clone, and it might lead to turning certain people into property. Still if something from my religion inspires some idea I have I don't feel a need to be ashamed of that. I don't think I should just leave my Catholicism at the house and outside do whatever.
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Old 04-15-2010, 07:27 AM
 
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Anecdotal evidences (words of mouth that heard from others and then from some others) do not count.
whats the point of this thread-what are you trying to prove
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:29 AM
 
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Anecdotal evidences (words of mouth that heard from others and then from some others) do not count.
If someone gave you evidence, would you believe it or would you still question it and put it through the ringer, so to speak. What is true for one is not always true for another and that includes God talking.
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