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Which god had the only path to salvation based on love for each person? pagan religions believe in animals being gods...god demanding us to suffer. Christianity is based on God's love for us and the death and resurrection of his Son. Through prayer and building a relationship with God, we are saved. Not through various abstract actions. Thats what tells you what god.
None of that matters if your god is one of the thousands that do not exist.
Which god had the only path to salvation based on love for each person?
Who cares? How is that even relevant to which God is correct?
Salvation isn't a prerequisite to Godhood. Odds are God(s) may not give a rat's azz about mankind.
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pagan religions believe in animals being gods...god demanding us to suffer.
This is not true of all pagan religions. And let's not forget Christianity is based on pagan religions that worshipped the sun and seasons. Also, your Bible god is no amateur at demanding people suffer.
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Christianity is based on God's love for us and the death and resurrection of his Son.
Real Gods don't have sons, nor do they need them to die horribly in order to create a loophole in a ridiculous and contrived "sin debt" system they themselves created.
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Through prayer and building a relationship with God, we are saved. Not through various abstract actions. Thats what tells you what god.
No, that's how you argue in circles to convince yourself your pre-conceived indoctrinated version of god is the correct one.
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This is just the outdated argument of Pascal's Wager which has been shown to have a multitude of flaws.
For one, the wager makes the either or fallacy. It ignores the thousands of other gods worshipped on the planet. If there is a god, then it is just as possible that the god judging you would be Ra, Athena or Thor. Then you'll go to hell for not believing/worshipping them.
Secondly, the wager assumes that if there is a god then they reward belief and punish disbelief. This isn't necessarily true. What if god rewards disbelief and punishes belief. Or what if god rewards reason and punishes faith.
Thirdly, the wager assumes that the afterlife is heaven/hell based. This is not so. What if buddhism is true and the afterlife is based on rebirth. Then you'll be reincarnated as a lower life form for not following the 8 fold path. You might want to convert so you don't end up becoming a fly in the next life(assuming there is one).
Fourthly, the wager assumes you gain something by believing. This is also false. Most atheists live happy moral live. Also, what if there is no god or a different god is the one true god. Then you would have lost all self respect because you spent your life on a delusion. The inordinate amount of time, love, energy and money you spent on god/religion could have been given to real people and real things.
Fifthly, a god who would send someone to hell for something as menial as unbelief is the polar opposite of love.
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The debate on God or no God has stricken our generation moreso than any other. Here is my philosophy on the matter:
Say that you are an Atheist...you dont believe in God or you hate God...
When you die, you have a 50% chance of being wrong. No person on this earth would gamble their careers, homes, cars, and other belongings on a 50% chance. Why gamble the future away? Consider this: what if God does exist? what if you are wrong? what if when you die you go to hell? Was it worth being skeptical? If God doesn't exist, then when you die, you will reincarnate or walk the earth as a spirit or whatever you believe. Then you can say you were right. But that 50% chance is still lurking in the back of your mind until you die. Why take that chance? Believe in God, take a chance, and at least if we are all wrong you wont have anything to lose when you die.
Why do you assume that those are the only 2 possibilities......that either YOUR god exists, or he doesn't?
What if the "one true god" is not the christian god? What if he gives second chances to those who did not worship any gods, but eternally punishes those who praised and worshiped other gods?
Likewise, what if muslims and jews are correct in their assessment that christians are committing idolatry by holding a man (jesus) as co-equal with the one true god, Yahweh? Yahweh is a jealous god who does not take idolatry lightly. It appears that you are taking just as much of a risk (or more) in your beliefs.
This is just the outdated argument of Pascal's Wager which has been shown to have a multitude of flaws.
For one, the wager makes the either or fallacy. It ignores the thousands of other gods worshipped on the planet. If there is a god, then it is just as possible that the god judging you would be Ra, Athena or Thor. Then you'll go to hell for not believing/worshipping them.
Secondly, the wager assumes that if there is a god then they reward belief and punish disbelief. This isn't necessarily true. What if god rewards disbelief and punishes belief. Or what if god rewards reason and punishes faith.
Thirdly, the wager assumes that the afterlife is heaven/hell based. This is not so. What if buddhism is true and the afterlife is based on rebirth. Then you'll be reincarnated as a lower life form for not following the 8 fold path. You mat want to convert so you don't end up becoming a fly in the next life(assuming there is one).
Fourthly, the wager assumes you gain something by believing. This is also false. Most atheists live happy moral live. Also, what if there is no god or a different god is the one true god. Then you would have lost all self respect because you spent your life on a delusion. The inordinate of time, love, energy and money you spent on god/religion could have been given to real people and real things.
Fifthly, a god who would someone to hell for something as menial as unbelief is the polar opposite of love.
Christianity controls through coercion -- like any religions around.
Christians are raised and taught to believe they are no good (with sins) since births, and they must pay church go to church and pray, or they will go to hell. And, guess what? They will never be "saved" -- no one was ever "saved". Why? Because, if anyone were "saved", would that person need religion anymore?
(Christians are not fighting with their religion because they got Stockholm Syndrome: they see robbers as loving protectors)
The "saved" you're discussing might have a different definition than ours.
Jesus died to save us. It doesn't happen immediately.
When we sin, we pray for forgiveness, Baptism is just a way to say, we believe Jesus died to do this for us, and through Jesus we are forgiven, although we must repent when we sin.
I think religion is too involved in the world, too much hatred between religion, almost as if they are nations.
Religions need to back off, but people can still worship whomever or whatever they'd like.
I made this arguement in my Youth Group, why not believe in God so you won't go to hell...
Well, thats not the reason you go to heaven, in the NIV translation and KJV, it says "I am the way the truth and the light, no man shall come to heaven but through me"
So Many Christians believe that you must believe Jesus is the reason we are saved and that God is a trinity with God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit working together.
Muslims and Jews believe in the same God, but do not believe Jesus is the reason and way into heaven...
There are many religions, but I wish they would all just be peaceful towards eachother....Ths USA was built on a foundation of religion, or based on it, without a doubt, but we don't have to fight over it, who cares if we have to say "under God" or read "In God We Trust" on money?
...Ths USA was built on a foundation of religion, or based on it, without a doubt, but we don't have to fight over it, who cares if we have to say "under God" or read "In God We Trust" on money?
the USA was built on the blood of the natives bye the europeans who were most likly christian
Which god had the only path to salvation based on love for each person? pagan religions believe in animals being gods...god demanding us to suffer. Christianity is based on God's love for us and the death and resurrection of his Son. Through prayer and building a relationship with God, we are saved. Not through various abstract actions. Thats what tells you what god.
Ah, but that shows what little you know of other cultures and their beliefs. I am Comanche. We do not believe animals are gods.
The doctrine of karma, the Islamic Code of Law, the Jewish covenant and the Buddhist eightfold path offered ways to earn approval and eventual eternal happiness. Only Christianity offered a no strings attached view of salvation with God’s unconditional love—a way through karma.
you might want to look up the meaning of unconditional love because that apploy's to everyone regardless of what they beleive........
Ah, but that shows what little you know of other cultures and their beliefs. I am Comanche. We do not believe animals are gods.
some people are so ignorant- they get an idea in there head and without any research at all they think they already know
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