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Old 04-08-2019, 07:03 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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No employment contract or agreement is signed. I know this because I maintain the personnel files of all employees in the organization.
Sounds as if something more formal should be put in place to protect all parties from exactly this. Doesn't have to be elaborate.
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:40 PM
 
Location: North Central Florida
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I would think the Church would still have to give you a 30-day notice. You had a job with them, and a lease with them. One was dependent on the other, however the Church still has to abide by housing laws.

The lease got terminated along with your employment. That is not an immediate end, it is terminated just like a lease where you were not employed. The lease comes to a natural end at the notice period, typically 30-days. In MN, that could be as long as almost two months.
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Old 04-09-2019, 06:53 AM
 
Location: Central Virginia
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I would think the Church would still have to give you a 30-day notice. You had a job with them, and a lease with them. One was dependent on the other, however the Church still has to abide by housing laws.
I'm not familiar with these types of practices but I agree with FIRE. The person would be considered a month-to-month tenant would need to be given notice to vacate according to PA laws.

Also, wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do?
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Bloomington IN
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The employee is paying room and board out of their income.

So in essence, they are renting the space.
Just a guess, they are paying less than market rates for rent. The difference between market rates and what they actually pay is part of their wages and benefits.

No job=no housing.
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Central Virginia
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Just a guess, they are paying less than market rates for rent. The difference between market rates and what they actually pay is part of their wages and benefits.

No job=no housing.
Is that stated or enforced by employment laws?
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Old 04-09-2019, 03:45 PM
 
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Just a guess, they are paying less than market rates for rent. The difference between market rates and what they actually pay is part of their wages and benefits.

No job=no housing.
That is true. They are paying quite a bit less than market rates for room and board. I hadn't thought of that. However, as far as I know, they are not being taxed on that.
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Old 04-09-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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Also, wouldn't it be the Christian thing to do?
I understand the reasoning behind an immediate eviction. However, it is quite demoralizing to see someone you have worked with for years being fired and having to immediately gather their belongings and tote them out in a shopping cart. I'm sure it was as humiliating to the employee as it was shocking to everyone watching.

Also, because this is a church, they do not pay into unemployment. So this person is jobless and homeless with no unemployment benefits.

No, this is not the Christian thing to do.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:16 PM
 
Location: on the wind
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That is true. They are paying quite a bit less than market rates for room and board. I hadn't thought of that.
Kind of why it could be considered compensation for work performed...not a rental, so it might strengthen the argument that notice to vacate doesn't have to follow state LL tenant law. Then there's the whole church/non-profit situation. The church might be able to claim exemption due to that.
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Old 04-10-2019, 12:17 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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.....No, this is not the Christian thing to do.

I am suspecting that this person did something to get himself fired. Possibly it was something that made him unsuitable to be in the area any longer.


If the guy worked well and was a wonderful employee, but the job position wasn't needed any more, I would guess that he'd get a little bit of warning so he could start looking for another place. "sorry buddy, but we find we don't need a candle lighter any more. Your job will be over at the end of the month and you will have to vacate the house at that time."


But whatever the job is, whoever gets hired to replace him is going to be given the house to live in. It is housing for employees, not housing for charity.


You want to make it a Christian behavior issue, go ahead and move him into your spare bedroom because it is the Christian thing to do.... but whatever he got fired for, maybe you don't want that behavior living in your house?
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Old 04-10-2019, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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Why would anyone WANT to stay in that situation after being fired?

Plus I would hope that after a few years of employment that a person would be able to afford a better housing situation.
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