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Ah, Suzy_q2010, you are fighting a losing battle trying to get people to be rational. As you correctly point out, "beliefs" sounds a lot like religion. And indeed, the whole anti-vaccine attitude is a belief, not a rationally derived conclusion. But thanks for fighting the good fight; I don't have the patience for it because I get too disgusted.
ER, there is nothing in the scientific literature that I have read that disputes that vaccinations "work." That was never in question in my comments. Of course they work, the world over, and they have saved lives. Questions about vaccines in the literature have to do with the overall effect on the effectiveness of our immune systems, individually and as a whole. It's rather like antibiotics. Are they necessary? Of course. Do they work? Yes, immediately. But in the long run, they are losing their effectiveness to combat more and more virulent strains. And that is very well documented. As for the shingles shot, as I said, we ought to get it, as there is no turning back. As for microwaves, of course they do the job. If you want to look further, there is good evidence to be cautious. But at our advanced age, if we're not dead yet I doubt anything we are discussing will injure us. The time to build immunity is apparently in childhood.
FWIW, I have no idea what Mercola's belief is about AIDS and sunscreen. But I'm sure there are professionals who back his views.
You can find so-called "professionals" who back all kinds of outlandish ridiculous views. As an extreme example, there is a professor at Florida Atlantic University, John Tracy, who states that the Sandy Hook massacre did not happen and that all the participants, including the children, are actors involved in a government conspiracy whose end result is gun control. There are many kooks and nutjobs out there who believe this obscene nonsense and now they have a "professional" who backs their views and to whom they can point to when people question their beliefs. Because, you know, it's always good to get the views of the other side.
Does this line of reasoning sound familiar to you? It should. You keep using it yourself. See below:
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Originally Posted by newenglandgirl
Just one of hundreds of sources that question microwaving. It's always good to get the other side.
Neither of your "sources" has any sources to back up the nonsense in them.
They are pseudoscience at its absolute worst.
No, one does not put baby milk in a microwave. It may get too hot.
No, one does not microwave blood for transfusion. It should not be cooked by any method. The alleged incident most likely did not even occur. There are no reports of it in the medical literature.
Neither of your "sources" has any sources to back up the nonsense in them.
They are pseudoscience at its absolute worst.
No, one does not put baby milk in a microwave. It may get too hot.
No, one does not microwave blood for transfusion. It should not be cooked by any method. The alleged incident most likely did not even occur. There are no reports of it in the medical literature.
Everything can be debunked.
Experts vs. Experts, Studies vs. Studies.
At any rate, as I said, read a lot, and in the end—"as you will."
"The January/February 1990 issue of Nutrition Action Newsletter reported the leakage of numerous toxic chemicals from the packaging of common microwavable foods, including pizzas, chips and popcorn. Chemicals included polyethylene terpthalate (PET), benzene, toluene, and xylene. Microwaving fatty foods in plastic containers leads to the release of dioxins (known carcinogens) and other toxins into your food. [8] [2]
One of the worst contaminants is BPA, or bisphenol A, an estrogen-like compound used widely in plastic products. In fact, dishes made specifically for the microwave often contain BPA, but many other plastic products contain it as well.
Microwaving distorts and deforms the molecules of whatever food or other substance you subject to it. An example of this is blood products.
Blood is normally warmed before being transfused into a person. Now we know that microwaving blood products damages the blood components. In fact, one woman died after receiving a transfusion of microwaved blood in 1991, which resulted in a well-publicized lawsuit."
And so back and forth.
Many "experts" say you cannot reverse diabetes, and yet in my lifetime I did, with the supervision of my doctor and nutritionist. If I had listened to "scientific studies," I would not have tried and thus would not have been successful.
We could go back and forth for pages, but I leave it at that.
Because someone does not fall in line with your beliefs and perspectives, they are ridiculous? I wonder why this subject is so emotional for you.
What's ridiculous is believing that everything can be debunked and that all one has to do is search the Internet and then provide a link to whatever quack or conspiracy theorist you find that supports your point of view.
Everything can be debunked.
Experts vs. Experts, Studies vs. Studies.
At any rate, as I said, read a lot, and in the end—"as you will."
"The January/February 1990 issue of Nutrition Action Newsletter reported the leakage of numerous toxic chemicals from the packaging of common microwavable foods, including pizzas, chips and popcorn. Chemicals included polyethylene terpthalate (PET), benzene, toluene, and xylene. Microwaving fatty foods in plastic containers leads to the release of dioxins (known carcinogens) and other toxins into your food. [8] [2]
One of the worst contaminants is BPA, or bisphenol A, an estrogen-like compound used widely in plastic products. In fact, dishes made specifically for the microwave often contain BPA, but many other plastic products contain it as well.
Microwaving distorts and deforms the molecules of whatever food or other substance you subject to it. An example of this is blood products.
Blood is normally warmed before being transfused into a person. Now we know that microwaving blood products damages the blood components. In fact, one woman died after receiving a transfusion of microwaved blood in 1991, which resulted in a well-publicized lawsuit."
And so back and forth.
Many "experts" say you cannot reverse diabetes, and yet in my lifetime I did, with the supervision of my doctor and nutritionist. If I had listened to "scientific studies," I would not have tried and thus would not have been successful.
We could go back and forth for pages, but I leave it at that.
I found the lawsuit about the microwaved blood. Not only was the verdict that the microwaved blood did not cause the death, damages from the plaintiffs attorneys were awarded to some of the people who were sued over the incident.
Blood for transfusion should not be microwaved, but it should not be cooked by any method. It should not be dunked in a pot of boiling water, for example. Microwaving the blood did not generate some mysterious poison that killed the patient. Whoever did it was stupid, but it does not mean that microwave ovens are inherently unsafe.
Any food that comes wrapped in plastic can be transferred to a ceramic dish for heating if the plastic is a concern.
Microwaving food does cause chemical changes in it. So do baking, broiling, boiling, frying and grilling. It's cooking!
You may choose to believe that microwaving food will harm your health based on pseudoscientific garbage. That hurts no one. But when people choose not to vaccinate based on pseudoscientific garbage, other people get hurt.
...The previous generations smoked and drank like fish, however their upbringings were not in general as weak as ours...
But they still died of things like lung cancer and related conditions from smoking. Think Humphrey Bogart - Steve McQueen - Edward R. Morrow - and all these others:
You can find so-called "professionals" who back all kinds of outlandish ridiculous views. As an extreme example, there is a professor at Florida Atlantic University, John Tracy, who states that the Sandy Hook massacre did not happen and that all the participants, including the children, are actors involved in a government conspiracy whose end result is gun control...
As you know - I live in Florida. But I never read about this before. And darn - you're right. What a nut-job. FWIW - FAU is located in the "liberal" part of Florida (down south). I'm in the "conservative" part (up north). I think people can differ on reasonable responses to Sandy Hook - but they cannot differ in terms of whether or not the event actually happened. As a taxpayer - I don't care paying for this guy's salary and benefits. Robyn
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The alleged incident most likely did not even occur. There are no reports of it in the medical literature.
