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The fact that the driver was following all the rules will be small comfort as your watch that little casket being lowered into the ground.
This is an important point. While it's certainly worthwhile to be deferential and considerate, it is nevertheless true that scrupulously obeying the law does not guarantee forestalling a potential tragedy. Neither does wanton disregard for the law guarantee causing trouble and harm. So much comes down to luck, to split-second decisions and to the unfathomable vicissitudes that shape our world.
Further, many behaviors that are perfectly legal, are nevertheless boorish, truculent and obnoxious; and conversely, many things that are illegal, arguably in themselves cause no effrontery or harm. It's worth considering this when we ponder what restrictions communities voluntarily impose upon themselves.
This is an important point. While it's certainly worthwhile to be deferential and considerate, it is nevertheless true that scrupulously obeying the law does not guarantee forestalling a potential tragedy. Neither does wanton disregard for the law guarantee causing trouble and harm. So much comes down to luck, to split-second decisions and to the unfathomable vicissitudes that shape our world.
Further, many behaviors that are perfectly legal, are nevertheless boorish, truculent and obnoxious; and conversely, many things that are illegal, arguably in themselves cause no effrontery or harm. It's worth considering this when we ponder what restrictions communities voluntarily impose upon themselves.
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HOA restrictions are not "voluntarily imposed". They are nearly universally created and imposed by a developer and local government - the "homeowners" weren't at the table.
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HOA restrictions are not "voluntarily imposed". They are nearly universally created and imposed by a developer and local government - the "homeowners" weren't at the table.
But they are now. The HOA is run by and for the benefit of the home owners in the community. If they don't like a rule, they can work and vote to get it changed. It's called democracy.
However, what I usually find on the Internet, is that rather than working for change, people would rather b*tch and moan about their HOA and hurl pejoratives at the people who volunteer their time to actually serve on the board.
When we were looking for a second home in Florida we wanted a HOA. After years of people parking cars everywhere, up on blocks, dogs barking all night, people not mowing lawns or up keep their houses, we appreciate the HOA!
But they are now. The HOA is run by and for the benefit of the home owners in the community. If they don't like a rule, they can work and vote to get it changed. It's called democracy.
However, what I usually find on the Internet, is that rather than working for change, people would rather b*tch and moan about their HOA and hurl pejoratives at the people who volunteer their time to actually serve on the board.
It's not quite that easy. In many cases HOA's are run by a clique who has entrenched itself and will do whatever they must to avoid losing their position on the board of directors - including throwing elections. There is very little oversight or regulation of HOA's so the whole operation is subject to fraud and abuse. Easiest thing is to vow to never live in one, that's what we did after spending 14 miserable years in one and having nearly every aspect of our life 'managed' by a bunch of busybodies.
It's not quite that easy. In many cases HOA's are run by a clique who has entrenched itself and will do whatever they must to avoid losing their position on the board of directors - including throwing elections. There is very little oversight or regulation of HOA's so the whole operation is subject to fraud and abuse. Easiest thing is to vow to never live in one, that's what we did after spending 14 miserable years in one and having nearly every aspect of our life 'managed' by a bunch of busybodies.
That's what I say too. I would never consent to live in a place like that and be governed by a bunch of nosy people with too much time on their hands.
We don't have many HOAs in this part of the country and I think it works a lot better. People keep their property up without being told. Sometimes there are things we don't like--such as neighbors spraying their yards with pesticides (poisonous and we have a dog to walk) or noise from lawnmowers all day Saturday. But what else? Nothing. You don't have to live in a rich neighborhood, just a neighborhood with decent people and in a town that has good rules. If somebody ever put a car up on blocks and just left if there, we'd call the town. I think a town government is better and more out in the open for all to see than a cliquey HOA.
When we were looking for a second home in Florida we wanted a HOA. After years of people parking cars everywhere, up on blocks, dogs barking all night, people not mowing lawns or up keep their houses, we appreciate the HOA!
I can see why you would want an HOA community if that's what you experienced in the past.
I have never lived in a neighborhood with falling apart houses, lawns not mowed and cars up on cinderblocks. I've driven through neighborhoods like that though but would never live in them.
That's what I say too. I would never consent to live in a place like that and be governed by a bunch of nosy people with too much time on their hands.
We don't have many HOAs in this part of the country and I think it works a lot better. People keep their property up without being told. Sometimes there are things we don't like--such as neighbors spraying their yards with pesticides (poisonous and we have a dog to walk) or noise from lawnmowers all day Saturday. But what else? Nothing. You don't have to live in a rich neighborhood, just a neighborhood with decent people and in a town that has good rules. If somebody ever put a car up on blocks and just left if there, we'd call the town. I think a town government is better and more out in the open for all to see than a cliquey HOA.
I live in a self managed HOA with municipal streets/ no sidewalks with 25 MPH limits. Speeding has been a consistent issue for 50 years based on newsletters.
Many owners, over the years, expect the association to " do something".
The association asked for and received more Speed Limit signage. Many complained they did not want signage posted on the easement adjoining their property.
The association periodically requests and receives more attention from the local Police who ticket offenders. Many complained the streets were becoming speed traps.
The association purchased neon vests for any owners that wanted to be more visible when walking at night. This fad came and went.
Some want speed bumps. Municipality understandably declines due to snow removal issues, in the winter.
What no one wants to do is confront their neighbor who speeds or report the tag# to the Police.
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