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That makes the election that much easier. Bush is off my list. The foxes are going to watch out for the chickens! How kind. Is it just me, or does it seem that the Bush clan isrunning on empty in the brain department? He is out. It will be Rubio on the Republican Ticket. You heard it here first!
I have always felt this way - so embarrassing. I always wondered what other countries thought when we had such a clown in office. I'm not much on politics and don't rally for either Rep or Dem - but I do require someone that doesn't always embarrass this country.
Medicare Advantage plans, then known as Medicare HMOs, existed back in the mid-90s when Obama was in his 30s and long before the ACA came into being. Dang that ol' due diligence anyway.
Maybe you missed what I said. I never claimed Obama invented Medicare Advantage, I was responding to this
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Obamacare screwed over seniors to wring money out of Medicare for Obamacare. .
To which I responded as follows:
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
That is crap. I'm on medicare, so is my husband. My husband has a zero premium Medicare Advantage plan with a $6 doctor visit co-pay. Doesn't sound like Obama 'screwed him over', but I will give you a chance to redeem yourself - do a little due diligence and post some links to support your position (if you can)
You have every right to disagree with me, and I welcome hearing your opinion, but please don't accuse me of saying something I didn't
Except that between 1960 and 1969 the same "trickle down experiment," as you call it, was performed by Kennedy who passed significant tax cuts. Under Kennedy the top tax rate was reduced from 90% to 70%, and a standard minimum deduction was created for the first time. That was at least as large an experiement in "trickle down economics" as what happened in later decades. When you include that in the data set the conclusion becomes much less obvious. To me, it points to the likelihood that there is some other causal factor.
I believe a primary cause of the slower growth in recent decades is increased competition from abroad. That's been driven by lower travel (think about what has happened to airfares in the last 30 years) and shipping costs, and a revolution in the cost and capabilities in communication technology. There may be other factors as well.
The only way you can conclude our current tax policy is the culprit is by cherry picking the data.
That is crap. I'm on medicare, so is my husband. My husband has a zero premium Medicare Advantage plan with a $6 doctor visit co-pay. Doesn't sound like Obama 'screwed him over', but I will give you a chance to redeem yourself - do a little due diligence and post some links to support your position (if you can)
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
Why you getting all curmudgeony on me?
Maybe you missed what I said. I never claimed Obama invented Medicare Advantage, I was responding to this
To which I responded as follows:
You have every right to disagree with me, and I welcome hearing your opinion, but please don't accuse me of saying something I didn't
My point was that Obama and Medicare Advantage have nothing to do with one another as your post appeared to infer. Obama didn't "screw him over." Neither did he provide him with those benefits.
Actually it supports what you said. With those tax cuts we did get economic growth. But it also includes the result - who was affected. When only the rich get richer, it is economic growth. So if economic growth is the only measure of success you care about then it is working fine. IMO a system of growth that so heavily favors the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor is not the best option for the country as a whole.
Someone else accused me of cherry picking. I think of it more as cherry sorting; revealing which bowl most of the cherries went into.
People like Jeb don't get the need for a pension like social security vs a 401k because they were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. Sure, let's give more money and fees and commissions to his Wall Street contributors. Oh, and make sure they're not regulated too. That's worked well before, or so I've heard.
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