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Old 06-18-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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Thank you once again for the prayers and good thoughts. i wanted to add that I have read that criminals DO return to the scene of the crime. In instances like ours, it is ussually 3 weeks to 3 months later for the purpose of stealing all of the things that have been replaced.

SO, it was a lot of searching, but we finally found a few of those obsolete, small, fat televisions that no one sells anymore and an old BOOM BOX at various thrift shops. Our curtains are open, just a crack in certain rooms, so that anyone checking out our place will see that we have NOT replaced ANY "valuables," and will not as long as we feel any threat.

NYGAL, We are having friends over for a BBQ and need to get working on that. Later tonight or tommorrow I will explain what EMDR is.
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Old 06-18-2016, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Sugarmill Woods , FL
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For what it is worth after years of having diagnosed PTSD, and it controlling my life, I was willing to try anything that might help. A therapist in our area was doing EMDR. I thought that it was just more BS, but I trusted this guy, and after less than 3 months, I can say no more PTSD, no more med.'s that never helped anyway. EMDR saved me!
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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For what it is worth after years of having diagnosed PTSD, and it controlling my life, I was willing to try anything that might help. A therapist in our area was doing EMDR. I thought that it was just more BS, but I trusted this guy, and after less than 3 months, I can say no more PTSD, no more med.'s that never helped anyway. EMDR saved me!
And what do the letters EMDR stand for?
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:14 PM
 
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EMDR is this....

What is EMDR? | EMDR Institute – EYE MOVEMENT DESENSITIZATION AND REPROCESSING THERAPY
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Old 06-18-2016, 05:18 PM
 
Location: 49th parallel
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Escort Rider, I looked it up on google. Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing. Don't know much about it but will read some.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:17 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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Here's a good summary of the treatments currently used with PTSD patients -- including EMDR:

Treatment of PTSD - PTSD: National Center for PTSD

Note that VA's preferred treatments are Cognitive Processing Therapy (CPT) and Prolonged Exposure (PE) therapy.
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Old 06-18-2016, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Heard about this on C-Span a few weeks ago in a rerun of an old interview w/Tom Hartmann. Apparently, the therapy begin in the 1800's, possibly earlier. Freud used it with great success for a while until he moved on to cocaine.

Hartmann cites a Viet Nam vet friend who had PTSD for 30 years - until he did EMDR - and finally rid himself of the images. Military has been using this therapy with combat vets. Makes me wonder about the suicides we hear so much about. Is the therapy not effective with them - or did they not have the therapy at all? From the link, about 77% of those with multiple shocks do benefit.

The theory is when the brain experiences a shock, the hippocampus can't store it in one of the brain's many filing cabinets - thus the recurring PTSD. EMDR - through eye movement - forces the brain to break up the image and the brain is able to store.

Discussion/explanation, lasting about 10 minutes, begins at 1:49, on the vid at this link:

Depth Thom Hartmann | Video | C-SPAN.org

Makes me think about that poor family who lost their son to the alligator. That experience, for sure, needs heavy-duty, mind-alterating therapy. No idea how one could stay sane, otherwise, waking up daily with that recurrent image.

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Old 06-19-2016, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Heard about this on C-Span a few weeks ago in a rerun of an old interview w/Tom Hartmann. Apparently, the therapy begin in the 1800's, possibly earlier. Freud used it with great success for a while until he moved on to cocaine.

Hartmann cites a Viet Nam vet friend who had PTSD for 30 years - until he did EMDR - and finally rid himself of the images. Military has been using this therapy with combat vets. Makes me wonder about the suicides we hear so much about. Is the therapy not effective with them - or did they not have the therapy at all? From the link, about 77% of those with multiple shocks do benefit.

The theory is when the brain experiences a shock, the hippocampus can't store it in one of the brain's many filing cabinets - thus the recurring PTSD. EMDR - through eye movement - forces the brain to break up the image and the brain is able to store.

Discussion/explanation, lasting about 10 minutes, begins at 1:49, on the vid at this link:

Depth Thom Hartmann | Video | C-SPAN.org

Makes me think about that poor family who lost their son to the alligator. That experience, for sure, needs heavy-duty, mind-alterating therapy. No idea how one could stay sane, otherwise, waking up daily with that recurrent image.
Excellent post. Thank you.
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Old 06-19-2016, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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The theory is when the brain experiences a shock, the hippocampus can't store it in one of the brain's many filing cabinets - thus the recurring PTSD. EMDR - through eye movement - forces the brain to break up the image and the brain is able to store.

Discussion/explanation, lasting about 10 minutes, begins at 1:49, on the vid at this link:
Haven't watched the video, but here's my understanding from my grad school days as well as more recent reading on the subject.

Our recall of what happened is called declarative memory, which is thought to be broken up into episodic memory (our recall of what happened as a sequence of personal events), and narrative memory (our impersonal recall of the facts and data of the events that have happened without the emotions associated with them).

Episodic memories are thought to be encoded into narrative memory during REM; this integrates them into the meaning structure so we can use them without the emotional baggage associated with them when they occurred. That's why REM evolved pretty early on (it was originally thought to be found only in mammals, but is apparently also found in birds and reptiles -- and probably was also found in the dinosaurs). This encoding allows animals to use what has happened in the past to plan and make better decisions in the future -- so it has a major survival benefit.

Large amounts of the stress hormone cortisol interfere with this encoding so the stressful memories don't get processed properly into narrative memory. They stay "raw" so when they're recalled it's as though they're happening all over again. They're sometimes called "flashbulb memories".

I had a great uncle who would dive under a table when he heard a car backfiring in the street or similar loud noise; he had been in combat in WW2 and had what today we'd call PTSD. If you're in combat, reacting to any loud noise without thinking about it actually has immediate survival benefit; not so much when you're eating Thanksgiving dinner with your family.

The eye motions in EMDR are thought to activate the encoding that happens during REM in a safe environment, under the guidance of the therapist; this "defuses" the memories so when they're activated during recall they're experienced as useful information rather than an emotionally-laden call to take immediate action.
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Old 06-19-2016, 07:38 AM
 
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Very helpful explanation, Vasily.
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