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Old 05-28-2015, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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These tolls sound complicated. With gas prices apparently low, now is a good time for the Feds to slap on a buck per gallon tax and allow states to add half a buck.

I get so irritated with car drivers. Want decent roads? Pony up. Don't want to pony up? Stop kvetching. After all, driving is a privilege and not a right.
Many people must drive to make a living. It is narrow minded to assume that cars are optional for most people - not so at all. And not everyone lives within walking distance to all amenities- that is currently impossible for most.
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:28 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Many people must drive to make a living. It is narrow minded to assume that cars are optional for most people - not so at all. And not everyone lives within walking distance to all amenities- that is currently impossible for most.
And your point is... what? Let me restate mine: want quality roads? Pay for them. Is there a level of complexity that I'm missing here?
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:34 PM
 
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And your point is... what? Let me restate mine: want quality roads? Pay for them. Is there a level of complexity that I'm missing here?
Except for the fact that we have "paid for them", probably two, three or four fold. Not really complex for a normal person to understand, yet possibly is when living in an alternate reality such as yours.
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Old 05-28-2015, 05:46 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Except for the fact that we have "paid for them", probably two, three or four fold. Not really complex for a normal person to understand, yet possibly is when living in an alternate reality such as yours.
Hardly. You carpers and whiners and "too fat to run, too scared to fight" carbon burners seem to forget a fact, a fact so simple that my guess is even you can understand it, and I'll even provide an easy analogy to help you:

When one Has a child, there are birthing expenses, serious ones. But does that end the requirements to feed and grow and keep the child healthy? No. Building a road is the relatively cheap part: maintaining and expanding them is whee one needs to dig deeply and frequently into their wallet.

If you can 't afford or will not pay the cost, then as they say in Hell's Kitchen, "Just shut the hell up."
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Old 05-28-2015, 06:07 PM
 
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So how would you like it if you paid child support to the mother (to feed, cloth the child, etc.), and you find that she had been spending it all this time on booze, cigarettes and scratch tickets? That is basically the current situation with the infrastructure.
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Old 05-28-2015, 06:34 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Well you see cheating and corruption and malingering around every corner. so let's get back on topic. If you want drivable roads, it costs money. So pay up or be silent. What is so complicated about that?
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Old 05-28-2015, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Earth, a nice neighborhood in the Milky Way
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I think one drawback to a higher gas tax vs. tolls is that, given the size of the state, it is fairly easy to shirk one's responsibility and put (fewer) tax dollars into the coffers of Mass. or Conn.

Now, if you want to argue that it is a federal issue and wish to handle it through the federal gas tax, I don't know how you will ensure the dollars get distributed on an as needed basis.
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Old 05-28-2015, 07:04 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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Many people must drive to make a living. It is narrow minded to assume that cars are optional for most people - not so at all. And not everyone lives within walking distance to all amenities- that is currently impossible for most.
Holly, your attachment to cars reminds me of Charlton Heston and his "you'll have to pry it (my carbon burning vehicle) from my dead hands," and it reflects neither urbanism or increasingly sought-after lifestyles. Younger folks and well educated folks are living perfectly happy lives without cars. And there is an unspeakable level of selfishness among people who could go carless or at least reduce their carbon burning. But then they'd have to be around people who "are from the other side of the tracks.

This "I Gots Mine" attitude is a root of evil, and I for one find it anti-social.
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Old 05-28-2015, 07:10 PM
 
Location: College Hill
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I think the issue is not with "ponying up", but what, exactly, is happening once said money is sufficiently "ponied".
If you have evidence of corruption it is your civic duty to report it. Otherwise, more toothless anecdote.
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Old 05-28-2015, 09:04 PM
 
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So pay up or be silent.
I will not.
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