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Old 03-20-2017, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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I wish I could make that date and check out the tour. I've been trying to catch one of those tours for a while now. There are some stunning houses in Elmwood. I saw a few back when I was scouring Federal Hill, Elmwood, and the West End for a property.

Can you elaborate on the process you went through in helping to found the Local Historic Districts process, for those Providence residents who don't currently have that protection and are interested in initiating it?



I think the reputation of Elmwood as having high crime is something of a fiction. Any crime is too much crime, but crime isn't all that bad there if you don't judge it in a vacuum. Check the statistics for yourself, with data from this or a competing website, as well as that of the local police department, and compare to truly high crime areas. You're from Jersey; a few should come to mind.
Elaborate on judging it in a vacuum. Not to sure what that means...
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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Elaborate on judging it in a vacuum. Not to sure what that means...
Does your comment mean that you moved to Elmwood from Newark NJ and found it wanting?

At one time, there was a mythology of "low rents in RI and higher welfare payments" . Now we've really fixed both.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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At one time, there was a mythology of "low rents in RI and higher welfare payments" . Now we've really fixed both.
The welfare payments are still probably the most generous in NE, in proportion to rents and COL.
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Old 03-20-2017, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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The welfare payments are still probably the most generous in NE, in proportion to rents and COL.
You keep writing this and I keep citing facts that you're wrong.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:44 AM
 
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You keep writing this and I keep citing facts that you're wrong.
You keep citing "facts", but none that disprove my point.


Of course Mass pays more, they also have a MUCH higher COL (especially for the propertyless).
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Rhode Island
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You keep citing "facts", but none that disprove my point.


Of course Mass pays more, they also have a MUCH higher COL (especially for the propertyless).
COL depends on where you live in Mass. Do you think people pay a lot more to live in Attleboro or Taunton? A lot of people say RI has a higher cost of living in general.
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Old 03-20-2017, 01:40 PM
 
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COL depends on where you live in Mass. Do you think people pay a lot more to live in Attleboro or Taunton? A lot of people say RI has a higher cost of living in general.


Attleboro yes, not sure about Taunton. RI gets you in property taxes and auto ownership costs. If you don't own a home, drive an older or no vehicle (as most of those receiving assistance do), that negates those advantages MA has over RI.


I'd say Fall River or New Bedford are better examples of lower cost places in MA, and those certainly ARE welfare magnets to the same (if not more) degree RI is. It is a downside of being one of the lower cost areas in an expensive, liberal state with generous welfare policies.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Newark, NJ
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Attleboro yes, not sure about Taunton. RI gets you in property taxes and auto ownership costs. If you don't own a home, drive an older or no vehicle (as most of those receiving assistance do), that negates those advantages MA has over RI.


I'd say Fall River or New Bedford are better examples of lower cost places in MA, and those certainly ARE welfare magnets to the same (if not more) degree RI is. It is a downside of being one of the lower cost areas in an expensive, liberal state with generous welfare policies.
Fall River and New Bedford are dumps that is not a good example of a normal low income neighborhood
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:52 PM
 
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Fall River and New Bedford are dumps that is not a good example of a normal low income neighborhood
Such a broad negative statement is inaccurate. Both Fall River & New Bedford clearly have comparatively large low income populations. But, not so, compared to other similar sized Massachusetts cities. It's unfair to compare them to cities which act as suburbs of Boston or Providence.

Both cities have lovely neighborhoods which are home to middle & upper middle income residents, not unlike the much larger Providence's East Side. The greater difference is neither smaller city is the state capital and neither contain PVD's significant private higher educational institutions or hospital complexes.
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Old 03-20-2017, 02:58 PM
 
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Does your comment mean that you moved to Elmwood from Newark NJ and found it wanting?

At one time, there was a mythology of "low rents in RI and higher welfare payments" . Now we've really fixed both.

RI property taxes, car insurance, homeowner's insurance, are high.

Result: RI rents are high; no fix in sight. RI residents support the welfare carousel.
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