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Been fighting the decline of Rural USA for 80 yrs... (blame the tractor / better paying economic developments / improved (?) QoL (at least for earnings...) MANY more ways to make a very EZ buck (Real Estate), more demand for recreation (Couch potatoes to Mtn climbers / bikers (We didn't have the FREE time for any of that)), Mobile information / offices / tasks, Globalization... ?)
Farm productivity seems to have 'plateaued' in ~2000. But there is a LOT more on the horizon... (GPS farming becoming more accessible / affordable)
The statistic depicts the number of persons fed per farmer in the United States from 1940 to 2015. In 2015, about 164 persons were fed per one farmer, up from 18.5 persons in 1940
It's important to note that your opinion of the benefit of tariffs has zero support among the vast majority of those who deal with them from an academic or business standpoint. Tariffs are a tax on consumers, and there is no evidence that they benefit most citizens in the long run. They are widely attributed to the horrendous economic malaise that keep the American economy wounded and limping from the start of the great depression up to the beginning of WW2. Projections are that for every job created by the tariff situation, there will be 16 lost. The solar panel tariffs have been a mess, with thousands of job loses, and no real conditions created to encourage domestic manufacturing of panels. The Whole "laundry equipment" tariff mess, stated a year ago, has done little but drive the cost of a washing machines up significantly, and now it will go up again, due to the steel and aluminum tariffs. restarting mothballed steel mills looks good, but it's of little impact. There will be no serious investment in domestic manufacturing that are caused by tariffs for many reasons. Including the fact that they are a totally unreliable variable, and nobody knows what the president will do next, or if congress will allow the extreme stretching of the definition of "tariffs required to protect our nation defense" which is the ruse being used to start this mess. There is no evidence that tariffs are going to raise wages, or improve quality of life, and in fact there is ample evidence that the opposite is true. Regardless of the low unemployment numbers, for the first time in the history of modern economics wages have NOT significantly risen, and show no sign of doing so.
Not true at all. While many leftists in the academic world (Trump Derangement Syndrome in action), and some who supported Hillary (mostly leftists, even if they have an R in their title) rail endlessly against tariffs the tariffs are already doing their job.
Truth is, no other country has the ability to win a trade war with us, and they are finding out that it is unwise to try. I am sure, however, that many leftist rags will trot out people to talk about the short term pain we will have to put up with, in order to fix problems allowed to fester by 50 years of neglect of our trade policies.
Major car manufacturing countries — Canada included — faced a grim reality as officials met in Geneva this week:
U.S. President Donald Trump's car tariffs (should he follow through and impose them) may be worse than anything they've dealt with so far, no matter what they do in response or retaliation.
China’s Commerce Ministry said Wednesday that the nation would act with “necessary counter-measures,” but did not say that the government would retaliate in commensurate fashion, as it has promptly done in the past. The pause in brinkmanship reflects the quandary now facing Beijing.
The new U.S. proposed levies would be on top of 25% tariffs that the Trump administration has assessed on $50 billion of Chinese goods, $34 billion of which took effect last Friday. On that day, China fired back with tariffs of the same amount.
But Beijing cannot match the new proposed tariffs because China imported only about $130 billion of products from the U.S. last year. By comparison, the United States imported more than $500 billion of Chinese goods last year.
This morning, in response to the list of $200 billion in imports that the U.S. is targeting for tariffs, as well as the announcement earlier this week that those products may be hit by a 25% tariff instead of the originally announced 10%, China announced that it would target $60 billion in U.S. products that are imported into the country.
A statement from the Ministry of Commerce said that these products would be hit by tariffs ranging from 5% to 25%. In total, 5207 tariff lines will be hit – 2493 with the 25% tariff, 1078 with a 20% tariff, 974 with a 10% tariff, and 662 with a 5% tariff. Among the items that were affected include 3D printers, honey, coffee, snowblowers, and a variety of chemicals.
You will see the tariff lists above in Chinese, but we are working to translate the line items and will send out a complete list in English when we have one.
This announcement by the Chinese will likely not go over well with the President. He has used past retaliatory actions as reasons to impose additional tariffs on Chinese products and has indicated a willingness to target ever Chinese good imported into the U.S. if necessary.
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Towns that revive their Main Street and put cute shops and cute lunch places and have Market Days once a month or so, and have a few homeowners transform their large beautiful homes into B&Bs seem also to do very well, and in fact, boom. Especially if the place is pretty - hilly, or with a pretty river, etc.
Not true at all. While many leftists in the academic world (Trump Derangement Syndrome in action), and some who supported Hillary (mostly leftists, even if they have an R in their title) rail endlessly against tariffs the tariffs are already doing their job.
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talents in cut and paste skills do not reflect any understanding of economic theory, as you clearly illustrate.
There is no evidence that tariffs are doing anything but damage, as most competent, non-partisan economists tried to point out before this stupidity even started. We live in a truly global economy, and there are no easy, winnable trade wars. IF our president is allowed free reign to continue to damage our future, we will see the results in the next several years, when the short term stimulus of the tax giveaway to the 1% and corporatocracy is exhausted, and the long term costs of idiotic trade policy begin to manifest. That point is generally regarded as being no less than two years from now.
All of you babble about leftists and other nonsense does nothing to change the economic reality of being lead off a cliff by an incompetent, who is overseen by a congress that has testicles that would look tiny on a Parakeet, and are scared sheetless of his "base". This will not end well for you and your tribe, but the mess should be at least partially shoveled into the manure pile, at the mid-terms, and eliminated (if not incarcerated) by the 2020 election.
As crazy as Colorado has been regarding growth, especially in the mountain towns, there are still small towns that, to be perfectly frank, are avoided like the plague.
Montrose, Durango, Cortez, Grand Junction, Gunnison, are well known regarding tourism and there is plenty of THAT rolling through those areas. But there are pockets of small towns on Colordo's western slope that nobody seems to care about.
One of those areas is the Meeker, Craig, and Rangely area. Towns aren't THAT small, but they don't see very many out of state plates. Rangely doesn't see any, probably because there is a presence of the oil and gas companies. But not nearly as much as there was.. Craig and to a lesser extent Meeker have been hurt by the coal mining situation and the threatened shutdown of the Yampa Valley Power Plants just outside of Craig.
The Naturita/Redvale/Nucla area are really remote. They've been the butt of jokes and the opinion of scorn by hoity toities from Durango to Telluride to Aspen to Vail. The town of Uravan, about 15 miles north of Naturita, was basically decommissioned when Union Carbide ceased operations in the early 1980's. Uravan---->>>>Uranium, Vanadium. UC was a big employer and a key to the effort during World War II. Maps and road atlases show the town until 1987 or so. The plant was dismantled. The houses knocked down. And the old retirees and miners who still live in those three towns, well, they just take life a day at a time until "they fold their tent" as they put it.
They have continuously asked for help to the state. What do they get?
It's a two hour drive to Cortez, Montrose, Grand Junction, or Cortez. If you mentioned the words condos, townhouses, or association dues to those good folks they would look at you like you were from Mars.
What cranks the economy regarding tourism in western Colorado is Interstate 70 to a large extent. If you are close to skiing, you're property is worth a bunch. If not, well,,,,,
Other small towns that have been stagnant regarding growth would include Walden, Kremmling, and I'll save the best small town for last---Dinosaur! Yep, a real town, about a half hours drive from Dinosaur National Monument in extreme northwest Colorado.
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All of you babble about leftists and other nonsense does nothing to change the economic reality ....
Don't know why I tried to have an intelligent discussion with a nevertrumper.
Guess, for a moment, I thought intelligent conversation would be possible, but that would require someone who does something other than demonstrate Trump Derangement Syndrome, for me to converse with.
I may cut and past, but at least I have reliable information that isn't formulated by leftist rags and nevertrumpers. As you have no reliable resources, I have no further use to listen to you.
...and I'll save the best small town for last---Dinosaur! Yep, a real town, about a half hours drive from Dinosaur National Monument in extreme northwest Colorado.
Last chance for Real Beer if you're headed west. UT limits the ABV of beer.... I have some friends in Vernal, UT who make the drive very 4~6 weeks. Man, I camped in Dinosaur NM on the CO side when a thunderstorm rolled through. One of the most epic and awe-inspiring experiences of my life... campground is at the bottom of a roughly 1,000' canyon, so the echo/reverberation was amazing. I really dig that corner of the state... but I like Mancos/Cortez/Dolores and the SLV areas too. Anywhere OTHER than the Front Range and Summit county would work for me.... if not for the fact that Wyoming is where I was born and I stand to inherit land in Montana (15 miles outside the county seat, pop. 800 and 2 hours from the closest chain store).
Man, if only people could keep their political opinions to P&OC...
As crazy as Colorado has been regarding growth, especially in the mountain towns, there are still small towns that, to be perfectly frank, are avoided like the plague.
Montrose, Durango, Cortez, Grand Junction, Gunnison, are well known regarding tourism and there is plenty of THAT rolling through those areas. But there are pockets of small towns on Colordo's western slope that nobody seems to care about.
One of those areas is the Meeker, Craig, and Rangely area. Towns aren't THAT small, but they don't see very many out of state plates. Rangely doesn't see any, probably because there is a presence of the oil and gas companies. But not nearly as much as there was.. Craig and to a lesser extent Meeker have been hurt by the coal mining situation and the threatened shutdown of the Yampa Valley Power Plants just outside of Craig.
The Naturita/Redvale/Nucla area are really remote. They've been the butt of jokes and the opinion of scorn by hoity toities from Durango to Telluride to Aspen to Vail. The town of Uravan, about 15 miles north of Naturita, was basically decommissioned when Union Carbide ceased operations in the early 1980's. Uravan---->>>>Uranium, Vanadium. UC was a big employer and a key to the effort during World War II. Maps and road atlases show the town until 1987 or so. The plant was dismantled. The houses knocked down. And the old retirees and miners who still live in those three towns, well, they just take life a day at a time until "they fold their tent" as they put it.
They have continuously asked for help to the state. What do they get?
It's a two hour drive to Cortez, Montrose, Grand Junction, or Cortez. If you mentioned the words condos, townhouses, or association dues to those good folks they would look at you like you were from Mars.
What cranks the economy regarding tourism in western Colorado is Interstate 70 to a large extent. If you are close to skiing, you're property is worth a bunch. If not, well,,,,,
Other small towns that have been stagnant regarding growth would include Walden, Kremmling, and I'll save the best small town for last---Dinosaur! Yep, a real town, about a half hours drive from Dinosaur National Monument in extreme northwest Colorado.
What is the common denominator of those avoided towns? Hmmm, well they are unattractive to most tourists, OK. But WHY so unattractive? Could have something to do with the aftermath of being treated as merely places to remove resources without thinking of minimizing damage, restoring raided areas, etc.
The area around Rangely (for example) actually becomes beautiful at least part of the year. But the town center itself is drab, and it would not surprise me if locals like it that way. Maybe. You know, don’t want certain kinds of tourists anyway. Looks like their tourism consists mainly of hunters, though this is just an impression based on a mere one visit.
Craig was downright depressing to look at. Again, just an impression from one visit.
What is the common denominator of those avoided towns? Hmmm, well they are unattractive to most tourists, OK. But WHY so unattractive? Could have something to do with the aftermath of being treated as merely places to remove resources without thinking of minimizing damage, restoring raided areas, etc.
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The area around Rangely (for example) actually becomes beautiful at least part of the year. But the town center itself is drab, and it would not surprise me if locals like it that way. Maybe. You know, don’t want certain kinds of tourists anyway. Looks like their tourism consists mainly of hunters, though this is just an impression based on a mere one visit.
Now, you might have hit the nail on the head.
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Craig was downright depressing to look at. Again, just an impression from one visit.
There is a lot that can be missed on a single visit.
169 counties in a state the size of Conn? That’s crazy! CA has 52 counties and is doing fine. Small towns in CA tend to be healthy, vibrant and friendly.
I screwed up but doesn't change the fact,not counties but towns which have there own government to provide services.
When Ct makes cuts it hurts the small town's,they have to cut services or tax more.
Ct couldn't address the crumbling foundation's,they some years ago let the insurance companies off the hook.This situation transpired over a 20 plus year period and homeowners are faced with a $180,000 up cost.The towns lose tax money because home is almost worthless thru assessment,this involves homes in Mass also.
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UT limits the ABV of beer.... I have some friends in Vernal, UT who make the drive very 4~6 weeks. Man, I camped in Dinosaur NM on the CO side when a thunderstorm rolled through. One of the most epic and awe-inspiring experiences of my life... campground is at the bottom of a roughly 1,000' canyon, so the echo/reverberation was amazing. I really dig that corner of the state... but I like Mancos/Cortez/Dolores and the SLV areas too. Anywhere OTHER than the Front Range and Summit county would work for me.... if not for the fact that Wyoming is where I was born and I stand to inherit land in Montana (15 miles outside the county seat, pop. 800 and 2 hours from the closest chain store). 
