07-06-2012, 03:55 PM
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Was just doing some geology research on the San Antonio area and was surprised on how many caves lie in the San Antonio area. There was one cave mentioned "Robber Baron" cave that lies near 410 & Nacodoches road that has grafitti in it dating back to the 1800's...Guessing a lot of these caves are protected and covered some how to keep people out. Very interesting indeed! Also interesting how the Edward's Plateau begins where San Antonio College is built. You can see the rise in elevation and the rock formation off Dewey streets. The Balcones fault line runs through SA which caused these formations.
07-06-2012, 04:53 PM
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There are a couple in Stone Oak Park. If you go and check out the hiking map (or even the pdf map they have online) you can see where they are on the trails.
07-06-2012, 08:12 PM
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Was just doing some geology research on the San Antonio area and was surprised on how many caves lie in the San Antonio area. There was one cave mentioned "Robber Baron" cave that lies near 410 & Nacodoches road that has grafitti in it dating back to the 1800's...Guessing a lot of these caves are protected and covered some how to keep people out. Very interesting indeed! Also interesting how the Edward's Plateau begins where San Antonio College is built. You can see the rise in elevation and the rock formation off Dewey streets. The Balcones fault line runs through SA which caused these formations.
The Robber Baron's Cave is at the end of Cave Lane off Nacogdoches I believe. It's been discussed in "Gone but not Forgotten" thread. Somewhere around Dewey and San Pedro Park is a cave I've read of with a mysterious story. I forget where though.
07-07-2012, 11:04 AM
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Caves at San Pedro Park by the springs. There is a legend of buried treasure there. Also Santa Anna camped out at the park (it wasn't a park then) before the Battle of the Alamo. Although the park is the second oldest park in the United States.
07-07-2012, 04:33 PM
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2nd oldest park?
Really? San Pedro, In the entire country? I did not know that mijo. Which is the oldest then?
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Caves at San Pedro Park by the springs. There is a legend of buried treasure there. Also Santa Anna camped out at the park (it wasn't a park then) before the Battle of the Alamo. Although the park is the second oldest park in the United States.
07-07-2012, 05:02 PM
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Really? San Pedro, In the entire country? I did not know that mijo. Which is the oldest then?
Boston Common, I think.
07-08-2012, 09:59 AM
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Caves at San Pedro Park by the springs. There is a legend of buried treasure there. Also Santa Anna camped out at the park (it wasn't a park then) before the Battle of the Alamo. Although the park is the second oldest park in the United States.
San Pedro Park was established in 1729, making it the 2nd oldest park in the United States behind Boston Common. Santa Anna never camped here, especially before 1729. He camped along the Medina river before marching into San Antonio. There is a legend of buried gold coins brought over by a Canary Islander that he supposedly buried in one of the caves that used to be in the northeast corner of the park. The caves have since been covered up to keep people out. Story goes, back when they first discovered these caves, they found bones that belonged to a race of "giant" people....very tall cavemen if you will. The bones have since been lost to history.
07-08-2012, 11:36 AM
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1729 is when the area around the San Pedro Springs were by royal decree made an
ejid o. That is public land for communal agricultural use, not a park. There were other ejidos in the area as well. A town common originally had the same purpose in England and its colonies and were not parks either. Boston Common was overgrazed and no longer had agricultural use which was one of the reasons it was turned into a park.
1852 is when the City of San Antonio made the area around the springs an official park. San Pedro Springs Reserve was the official name chosen.
That Santa Anna camped at the park before the Battle of the Alamo might be just a legend.
A postcard states he did:
San Pedro Springs
As does Boyce House in City of Flaming Adventure:
City of flaming adventure: the chronicle of San Antonio - Boyce House - Google Books
There is also legend of secret tunnels going from the Springs to the Alamo which Santa Anna used to sneak his men in the Alamo:
Publications of the Texas Folk-lore Society - Google Books
It would make sense that he did, they are the head waters of the city water supply then, who would not control that before a siege? Maybe he sent a few men and didn't camp there. It is just a legend now I suppose.
Gypsies did camp there on October 25th, 1873:
San Antonio de Bexar: a guide and history - Google Books
It was also, I believe, a prisoner of war camp during the Civil War.
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07-10-2012, 07:32 AM
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excellent post Merovee.
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This cave Robber Barron has an interesting past...It was a tourist site from 1926-1933. It is believed to be the longest cave in Bexar county also. There is a website
Robber Baron Cave Introduction | Texas Cave Management Association | TCMA | Conservation | Education | Study
Very interesting indeed!
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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