04-07-2013, 08:40 AM
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It looks like Google Fiber is coming soon to Austin, which makes it great news for our neighbor up the 35.
Google Fiber coming to Austin | kvue.com Austin
So, given that San Antonio has a communication broadband network (via CPS Energy?), I wonder if our city shouldn't consider expanding and offering broadband service as a utility to its residents. Yes, they are taking steps to help universities, libraries and others to tap into it, but I am talking about offering it to residents.
Now, normally I would say let private companies compete, but like electricity and gas, broadband seems to be a natural monopoly, or at least an oligopoly and it is something that I think could work as a city service. For most residents right now, you have two players for broadband: at&t and the cable company. If you have Time Warner as the cable, you have two poor choices, with leadership to match that.
Yes there would be challenges such as legal and capital. I am sure cable and telecom would cry foul, but at least they would be forced to truly compete, instead of doing the bare minimum. If our recent sales tax had not already been allocated to the Pre K initiative, it might have been a great source of funds for something that could benefit everyone, and yet still allow for some level of subsidy for those in need, but another source of funds could be found.
This would be an investment in the future of all residents, and I think it may payback a faster dividend. A super fast broadband network is the type of service that also draws people to the city... and businesses.
Anyway, what do others think?
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04-07-2013, 08:49 AM
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I think the city won't take the risk that doing that might lead AT&T to move the
rest of its jobs out of the city. AT&T still has
over 700 workers here .
04-07-2013, 09:24 AM
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It looks like Google Fiber is coming soon to Austin, which makes is great news for our neighbor up the 35.
Google Fiber coming to Austin | kvue.com Austin
So, given that San Antonio has a communication broadband network (via CPS Energy?), I wonder if our city shouldn't consider expanding and offering broadband service as a utility to its residents. Yes, they are taking steps to help universities and others to tap into it, but I am talking about offering it to residents.
Now, normally I would say let private companies compete, but like electricity and gas, broadband seems to be a natural monopoly, or at least an oligopoly and it is something that I think could work as a city service. For most residents right now, you have two players for broadband: at&t and the cable company. If you have Time Warner as the cable, you have two poor choices, with leadership to match that.
Yes there would be challenges such as legal and capital. I am sure cable and telecom would cry foul, but at least they would be forced to truly compete, instead of doing the bare minimum. If our recent sales tax had not already been allocated to the Pre K initiative, it might have been a great source of funds for something that could benefit everyone, and yet still allow for some level of subsidy for those in need, but another source of funds could be found.
This would be an investment in the future of all residents. A super fast broadband network is the type of service that also draws people to the city... and businesses.
Anyway, what do others think?
Actually a lot of San Antonio had three players for Broadband: at&t, Time Warner and Grande Communications.
That competition has us getting faster rates at better prices than some other significant areas of the country.
Grande has 30MB/s internet for $40, and now offers a plan at greater than 100MB/s.
04-07-2013, 09:24 AM
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I think the city won't take the risk that doing that might lead AT&T to move the
rest of its jobs out of the city. AT&T still has
over 700 workers here .
Perhaps, but would not this type of initiative create jobs as well? Plus, unless at&t is abandoning its business here completely (U-verse, Wireless, POTS), it will still need to keep a substantial number of people physically employed here anyway. Given their investment here in U-verse, I would expect them to figure out a way to compete.
04-07-2013, 11:48 AM
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I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Time Warner. While it's speeds may be slower than a lot of other places around the country, they don't have the same usage caps either. Comcast, Cox, Verizon and even AT&T all typically cap users at 300 GB a month of data usage in most parts of the country. That lets you watch about 1 HD movie and let one or two people do LIGHT surfing a month. It could be worse than Time Warner...
04-07-2013, 11:52 AM
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In San Antonio, Grande is only available in limited areas, and I haven't heard anything about them expanding their territory here in several years. AT&T has made U-verse available in many parts of San Antonio, but there are still areas where they haven't expanded, and some neighborhoods where they do offer U-verse have pockets where it can't reach. I know AT&T is trying to phase out POTS & traditional DSL, but are they still expanding their U-verse territory in San Antonio? Industry pundits seem to think unless AT&T can go fully FTTP instead the current fiber/copper hybrid offering, U-verse will remain a compromised product.
That leaves a lot of people with a choice of either Time Warner, or AT&T with their 1.5, 3.0, or 6.0mbps max. DSL (depending on distance from the CO). I wonder if that would be enough of a potential customer base for Google to consider a fiber build-out here?
04-07-2013, 02:20 PM
Location: Texas
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Grande has 30MB/s internet for $40, and now offers a plan at greater than 100MB/s.
Google offers gigabit Internet for $70 a month.
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bspray
I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Time Warner. While it's speeds may be slower than a lot of other places around the country, they don't have the same usage caps either. Comcast, Cox, Verizon and even AT&T all typically cap users at 300 GB a month of data usage in most parts of the country. That lets you watch about 1 HD movie and let one or two people do LIGHT surfing a month. It could be worse than Time Warner...
It was Time Warner that initiated the move to data caps, if you remember. Public outcry forced them to abandon that for the time being. I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced it again at some point in the future, and not just as an option.
04-07-2013, 06:25 PM
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Whole Foods.
04-07-2013, 06:35 PM
Location: San Antonio, TX
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I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Time Warner. While it's speeds may be slower than a lot of other places around the country, they don't have the same usage caps either. Comcast, Cox, Verizon and even AT&T all typically cap users at 300 GB a month of data usage in most parts of the country. That lets you watch about 1 HD movie and let one or two people do LIGHT surfing a month. It could be worse than Time Warner...
You can do a lot more than watch 1 HD movie and do some light surfing with 300 GB/month.
In my house, I have 3 computers, a kid who goes to virtual school, phones, tablets, game consoles and blueray all using the internet.
I downloaded 200 movies in December (that's what hubby wanted for Christmas, a hard drive full of a certain kind of movies) and everyone in the house was online as much as usual, and we went through 282 GB that month. That was with me downloading things pretty much around the clock. It was hard work to use that much data...I think 300 GB would be ample for most families.
04-07-2013, 06:48 PM
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I don't see this as an option. You're talking about having to come into San Antonio and running fiber optic cable all over the town. It took Ma Bell years to get fiber optics out here, like 2 years ago it finally arrived. Not a lot of residents including me is going to be receptive to having the yard dug up yet again. I already have a cable box, phone box, and an electric transformer in the back yard. This is where I live, it's not a freaking industrial park and another box in my yard is not acceptable. And if Google did decide to come to town, you think the other providers like AT&T won't pickup the speeds. I'm at 12M with AT&T and the internet and phone is less than the $70 a month Google wants for just internet. I don't see it as a bargain or an option. Google is not my friend in this case and I certainly don't want that political data generator hooked up to my house.
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People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)