Subway (Los Angeles, Oakland, Richmond: neighborhood, earthquake, living)

[dmann304]

I was shocked when i was reading that SF has a subway.

I didn't think that possible cuz of earthquakes and it being California.

I was watching an episode of Sanford And Son from the 70's, and someone one the show made a comment about Subways in California, and i think it was Fred that said, no way can there be subways in california.

But i seen pics of the bart and it doesn't look all that bad. Im suprised they have highspeed rail. You would expect that in NYC or Chicago maybe LA.

It goes under the city of SF. wow i can't believe that can happen and do they actually get ridership cuz there isn't that many people living there.

[jessemh431]

we have subways in LA also.

[SurekRZA]

well of course we have them in California! The reason you have them in NYC is because of the tremendous amounts of immigrants that NYC took in the early 1900's and immigrants had no cars or source of transportation so the city created these subways in order to allow them to get to work. Likewise, SF needed transportation for its tremendous population of not only immigrants but citizens when gold was discovered in the west and millions of people fled to the west. Los Angeles did not create Subways until much later because its population did not grow as dramatically and many of the people who settled in southern California in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were farmers.

[mpsouth]

And not only does it go underground, it goes underwater too. The TransBay Tube made it through the '89 earthquake just fine while bridges above ground collapsed.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by mpsouth

And not only does it go underground, it goes underwater too. The TransBay Tube made it through the '89 earthquake just fine while bridges above ground collapsed.

I know, how crazy is that?! Every time I ride BART across the bay, I admit to getting a little nervous... but apparently they built it well, if it withstood the '89 quake. However, unlike in NYC, our "subway" isn't always underground - it rides above ground through much of it's route, aside from parts of SF, Oakland & across the water. Oh, and our trains are MUCH cleaner too.

[krudmonk]

Even more impressive is the fact that there are tunnels upon tunnels: BART goes above Muni light rail...or the other way around.

[beone]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Even more impressive is the fact that there are tunnels upon tunnels: BART goes above Muni light rail...or the other way around.

MUNI Metro runs above BART from Civic Center to Embarcadero. I heard that BART originally intended to use both levels of tunnels with a line running from Embarcadero to West Portal. When that was abandoned, MUNI bought the upper level....which would explain why the station platforms are much longer than necessary for MUNI.

I do wish this city had a more extensive subway system though. There should be a line running under Geary out to the Richmond. It would also be nice if the Marina, Russian Hill, and Nob Hill.

[gizmo980]

Originally Posted by beone

MUNI Metro runs above BART from Civic Center to Embarcadero. I heard that BART originally intended to use both levels of tunnels with a line running from Embarcadero to West Portal. When that was abandoned, MUNI bought the upper level....which would explain why the station platforms are much longer than necessary for MUNI.

I do wish this city had a more extensive subway system though. There should be a line running under Geary out to the Richmond. It would also be nice if the Marina, Russian Hill, and Nob Hill.

Yes, that would be fantastic... I'd also appreciate if they'd come to my neighborhood, the neglected southeast SF.

[beone]

Originally Posted by gizmo980

Yes, that would be fantastic... I'd also appreciate if they'd come to my neighborhood, the neglected southeast SF.

Hello T-Third St. Line? Um....really dumb by the way that the K becomes the T heading inbound and then switches back to the K heading outbound. MUNI is so dumb. I often want to call and say, "What kind of moron is running this show?"

[dmann304]

What gets me is i never new SF had highspeed rail. I didn't think it was possible to build with rolling hills and taking chances with unstable earth.

I was shocked when they had subways in DC.

I thought just NYC and Chcago had this cuz of inner city population and area.

If SF has subways than why doesn't Houston? There 2 times if not 3 times the size of SF easly, just like Dallas.