Great news for the great City of Saint Francis (Los Angeles: home, legal)

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Its irritating that this one issue should be used as a wedge to divide people

So why does the Catholic Church insist on doing so?

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by RWingFan

You folks living in San Francisco now notice all the churches everywhere right? Secular views are fine but they sure as hell didn't originate here lolu

This city, maybe even the house your renting was built by Irish, and Italian CATHOLICS and lots of latinos moved to the Mish with them because they are CATHOLIC

Theres your city history lesson for the day

And then the Irish and Italian Catholics left; and Catholic Latinos are, by and large, more concerned with bread-and-butter issues than with "moral" crusades. The ones who aren't can, and often do, convert to evangelical Protestantism.

[RWingFan]

Im still here (your of course right but Im stubborn by blood) Im just saying a little balance is fine, I was raised in the church, had a neighborhood parish, doesn't make me a bad person and regardless of the politics of the day San Francisco by name alone has a rich Catholic history and its a shame people only think of it for start ups the folsom street parade and of course the natural beauty

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by RWingFan

Im still here Im just saying a little balance is fine, I was raised in the church, had a neighborhood parish, doesn't make me a bad person and regardless of the politics of the day San Francisco by name alone has a rich Catholic history and its a shame people only think of it for start ups the folsom street parade and of course the natural beauty

No one's suggesting you're a "bad person" -- in fact it's great that you're still here, because San Francisco, like everyplace else in the U.S., does have a tendency to forget its own history. And I treasure its historical landmarks and churches that add so much beauty to our city (with the possible exception of St. Mary Maytag. ).

But just as the city as a whole has had to evolve and adapt to various groups of newcomers, why can't the Catholic Church do the same?

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by pch1013

So why does the Catholic Church insist on doing so?

It is the media that is running these articles, not the Catholic Church.

And its not unheard of for a church to have a public position on what it perceives to be a moral issue.

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

It is the media that is running these articles, not the Catholic Church.

And its not unheard of for a church to have a public position on what it perceives to be a moral issue.

The media did not force Cordileone to vigorously promote Prop 8 -- which goes FAR beyond merely "having a public position." It's merely reporting the facts, which is that he is a highly vocal and successful anti-gay activist, and as such, he demonstrates values that are contrary to those of the vast majority of people in San Francisco -- Catholics included.

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by clongirl

Oh please..the Catholic Church can't even get their nuns to obey...

Happily, the older generation of dissenting nuns has been shrinking for decades and is on its way out. The newer generation of obedient nuns is growing, even in the Bay Area. These Carmelites (pictured with none other than Bishop Cordileone) arrived in the Diocese of Oakland just last week:



The new foundation near Moraga will eventually be home to 21 of these very joyful and, yes, obedient sisters. Since when did obedience become a four-letter word?

If Archbishop Cordileone succeeds in restoring orthodox Catholicism in San Francisco, the Church will begin to thrive again and we'll be seeing many more beautiful pictures like this one.

[WesternPilgrim]

Its irritating that this one issue should be used as a wedge to divide people
So why does the Catholic Church insist on doing so?

The Church is merely defending the moral truths she has been teaching publicly for 2000 years. It's the dissenters who have made this a wedge issue, and who are trying to intimidate and bully the Church into silence.

But in the upside down world of homosexual politics, the bullies are the victims and the victims are the bullies.

[pch1013]

Originally Posted by WesternPilgrim

The Church is merely defending the moral truths she has been teaching publicly for 2000 years.

And imposing their strict observance upon a society in which Catholics are a small minority.

No Catholic was ever harmed by a same-sex marriage. Not one. But same-sex couples throughout California have most definitely been harmed by Proposition 8.

Now who's the "victim" and who's the "bully"?

[WesternPilgrim]

Originally Posted by pch1013

And imposing their strict observance upon a society in which Catholics are a small minority.

No Catholic was ever harmed by a same-sex marriage. Not one. But same-sex couples throughout California have most definitely been harmed by Proposition 8.

Now who's the "victim" and who's the "bully"?

True, no Catholic was ever harmed by same-sex "marriage" because there is no such thing as same-sex "marriage" and never will be, no matter the outrageous claims of the state. However, millions of Catholics and people of all faiths - especially children, who have a natural right to two married parents of the opposite sex, and a right not to be exposed to sexual perversion - will be harmed by the normalization of homosexuality, which is what this whole same-sex "marriage" thing is really all about.