BART to Hercules, Supervisor says yes (Pleasant Hill: earthquake, maintenance, safety)

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by sav858

. Your dramatics and flat out lies about BART are really misleading, this really isn't a subject you seem well educated on at all.

I've lived long enough to see BART talk about things, never do them, only to bring them up again when they need tax revenue. You'll learn, I know you're still young.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Theres really no excuses why the Bay Area can't invest in a Regional Rail Network you have the money for BART...

Exactly. Anyone who has visited NYC knows this to be true.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by sav858

How is BART collapsing? Yes it's having capacity issues in parts and needs upgrades but "collapsing"?

Yup. Just look at BART. It's literally falling apart.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

I've lived long enough to see BART talk about things, never do them, only to bring them up again when they need tax revenue. You'll learn, I know you're still young.

Such as....?

[sav858]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Yup. Just look at BART. It's literally falling apart.

Yet it keeps setting ridership records as more people continue to use the system

[sav858]

Originally Posted by DocGoldstein

Exactly. Anyone who has visited NYC knows this to be true.

So first you say BART doesn't have any money and now you're saying it does?? Yup, more contradictions and double standards. You try to hard sometimes but just fail....


Also I'm still waiting to hear why DC isn't a good comparison to the Bay Area. Especially considering how it has similar demographics and a metro system most similar to BART, haha. Next time think before you type.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

Your going to have to build another Transbay Tube , so make it a Double Decker Tube like our 63rd Street Tunnel Top carries Subway and the Bottom will carry Long Island Railroad in 2019. The Truth is your current system is starting to collapse and needs to be expanded the right way and not the wrong with like expanding BART to San Jose....or out into the Eastern Suburbs thats the job of Regional Rail. You also need to upgrade your regional rail , electrfiy it , grade seperate and run it frequantly during rush hour which would be every 5-10 minutes and every 15-20 mins off peak. While BART was designed to be a Commuter Rail , its an Urban Rail....the 2 are very different trying to hybrid systems like that often lead to issues like congestion and capacity shortages....DC is similar. NYC , Philly , Chicago and Boston are all balanced and don't have such issues except 1 or 2 overcrowded lines which can be solved with signal upgrades and a few small expansions. Theres really no excuses why the Bay Area can't invest in a Regional Rail Network you have the money for BART...

In many parts of the Bay Area, trains have to be underground. In part due to the geography (we have coastal mountains, not a coastal plain like the east coast) and in part due to the cities and their infrastructure and in some cases, their desires. For example, a commuter train is impractical in the east bay, especially the inner east bay. The existing rail-road tracks are already heavily used and not in places where people could easily get to them. They are on the outskirts so the trains can travel at speed. There's no way it could work through the cities. We've been there and done that before with a now defunct freight line which ran through Oakland, Emeryville, Berkeley, Albany, El Cerrito and Richmond. The right of way was sold to the cities and from Berkeley northward, the Ohlone Greeway was created. They could have done something then but it's not practical. In fact, north of Berkeley those tracks ran parallel to BART. Caltrain was really only possible because it purchased most of the length of it's tracks although Union Pacific owns the southern portion and Caltrain has trackage rights. Also those tracks aren't as far out of the way. In most of the Bay Area, you need something that can move quickly and go underground or about ground when needed. A Conventional train just won't cut it.

[18Montclair]

Originally Posted by Nexis4Jersey

The Truth is your current system is starting to collapse

So because people near downtown SF cant find seats, the system is therefore 'collapsing'?

Hahahahaha yeah right.

What an absurd conclusion to draw.

Originally Posted by sav858

Yet it keeps setting ridership records as more people continue to use the system

Yes, but some C-D posters who portray themselves as experts in transportation studies are saying that soaring ridership is actually a sign that the entire system is in peril.

[DocGoldstein]

Originally Posted by sav858

So first you say BART doesn't have any money and now you're saying it does??

Never said that. Are you even reading post or just making random comments based on what you feel?

Anyone who has ridden BART recently knows the system is decrepit, old, and in major need of updating and repair.

[DarkWolf]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

So because people near downtown SF cant find seats, the system is therefore 'collapsing'?

Hahahahaha yeah right.

What an absurd conclusion to draw.


Yes, but some C-D posters who portray themselves as experts in transportation studies are saying that soaring ridership is actually a sign that the entire system is in peril.

Capacity wise , your system is in bad shape.... Its in good structural shape....although it needs some seismic upgrades.. Just like certain parts of our system are in bad shape , the solution is to expand our Regional Rail system into the Urban areas to take the pressure off the Urban Transitways... Regional Rail or S-Bahn can be converted into a hybrid , however Subways or U-Bahns tend to be more expensive you try to design them like S-Bahns.... The Suburban People are overcrowding your Urban system , so by the time the Urban users often get on or attempt to get on the train is already near capacity. You really don't have these issues in regions or cities with Equal systems....the Ridership is evenly spread out.