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Old 02-07-2014, 11:33 AM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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I love The Tenderloin. Only part of the city that's still really interesting. It's like a Lou Reed song. All the dirty drug dealing homeless Antichrists I've ever met have been nice (or just crazy and entertaining) - leave you alone if you leave them alone (and/or don't look like a wad of tech). Never once felt threatened, and I was born and raised in SF (ie: have been happily going through many times, for many years).

It's nice the police are catering to transplants' fear rather than the city trying harder to address actual issues to help those people (beyond just cleaning it up and making it look pretty).

If it's so scary to you, such a threat to EVERYONE, stay out. Simple. That's what the Tenderloin is - did anyone not realize that already???

That's great that you've never been a victim of crime, but to suggest that it's just this quirky place where harmless junkies peacefully nod off all day is ridiculous. Innocent people have been killed passing through on their way to trendy ethnic restaurants, and you don't see a problem? The reality is that crime in the TL doesn't just stay there, it drifts in every direction for several blocks.

Again, I don't think the cops should just round up all the addicts and throw them in prison, but the TL has a huge addiction problem that needs to be addressed from a public health standpoint. These addicts need help, and this live-and-let-live attitude has gone on for way too long and it's not going to get any better until people do something about it.

It makes so upset that people are actually OK with quarantining a really down and out segment of the population to a few blocks of the city and just letting them use until they die, or WORSE: lash out violently against innocent people.
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Old 02-09-2014, 03:53 AM
 
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I lived many years in the 'loin. It's always going to be a dangerous place because that's the city and police policy. It's called containment. I guarantee those drug dealers just moved over a block, and those parked cars will be right back on that street next year. While it can feel like a gritty place w/ character, it is just poverty, no hope, drugs, and the mentally ill w/ no services in many respects. Bad place to be. Terrible landlords. They should be arrested. But again, the city leaders WANT it this way. Keeps crime out of their neighborhoods.
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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You're right about that, smarino..the Tenderloin is just where they'd rather see all the crime collected.That way, at least they know where most of them are and what to avoid.
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Old 02-09-2014, 03:06 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Again, it would be one thing if the crime really was self contained and didn't affect the rest of the city, but that's just not the case...
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:08 PM
 
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Wow. You're right. Unbelievable that I have a different opinion than you do.

Maybe the police should do their job and go after the drug dealers. In Mountain View I used to live in a neighborhood that had problems with gangs and people (sometimes) shooting off guns. So I know a little something. Maybe we should have given everyone ear plugs so they didn't hear the guns? That will fix the problem, right?
SF and the Tenderloin are not Mountain View. Low level drug crimes are not punished with jail sentences, and that is consistent with the desires of the citizenry. This is not about gun crime, but about the drug market on the worst corner of the Tenderloin.

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I love The Tenderloin. Only part of the city that's still really interesting. It's like a Lou Reed song. All the dirty drug dealing homeless Antichrists I've ever met have been nice (or just crazy and entertaining) - leave you alone if you leave them alone (and/or don't look like a wad of tech). Never once felt threatened, and I was born and raised in SF (ie: have been happily going through many times, for many years).

It's nice the police are catering to transplants' fear rather than the city trying harder to address actual issues to help those people (beyond just cleaning it up and making it look pretty).

If it's so scary to you, such a threat to EVERYONE, stay out. Simple. That's what the Tenderloin is - did anyone not realize that already???
I'm sorry that its not so fun for you to go slumming on Turk and Taylor anymore, but how about a little concern for the people that live in the neighborhood? There are more children living in the 'Loin than just about any other neighborhood. Their quality of life could be dramatically improved with some limitations on the open and flagrant use/sale of drugs on some of the neighborhood's thoroughfares.
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Old 02-10-2014, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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SF and the Tenderloin are not Mountain View. Low level drug crimes are not punished with jail sentences, and that is consistent with the desires of the citizenry. This is not about gun crime, but about the drug market on the worst corner of the Tenderloin.
I do realize that there is a difference in policing between a small town of 75,000 people and a small city of about 825,000 people. Before coming to Mountain View, I also lived in Chicago for 8 years and spent some time in the bad parts of town, including a year living in a really bad part of town. So I have my own opinions about policing methods. But I'm no expert on how San Francisco polices or does not police various neighborhoods, including the Tenderloin. I think eventually that neighborhood will be completely gentrified like the rest of San Francisco.
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:32 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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Looking like now it is bye bye bus shelters!

Disorderly bus shelter in Tenderloin gets the book - SFGate
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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"Nobody voted to keep it. The entire community wanted it removed."
No, you mean maybe all of the people who attended your meetings wanted it removed. I find it hard to believe they polled everyone in the neighborhood. I guess poor people should buy a cheap umbrella.
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:44 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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you are right. the people doing drugs and urinating there definitely are sad to see it go
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Old 03-18-2014, 03:54 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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There are more children living in the 'Loin than just about any other neighborhood.
How long have those children been alive anyway -- 5, 10 years tops? That means they're just newcomers. So who gives a **** about their quality of life? That gritty urban vibe prized by "real" San Franciscans, and VICE magazine wannabes, matters more than anything else.
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