Oh the Irony in San Francisco (Oakland: sales, health insurance, transfer)

[shooting4life]

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The San Francisco Unified School District decided Tuesday night that it's more important to protect its own. The board voted in favor of banning out-of-district students trying to get into the highly acclaimed Ruth Asawa School of the Arts.
http://abc7news.com/education/san-fr...school/743751/


I hope I don't have to explain the irony of San Francisco position of keeping students from outside of the city from attending an arts school because of the lack of resources available for in city residents in relation to the cities position on illegal immigration and being a sanctuary city.

[artemis78]

Huh? There's nothing ironic there. Admission to SOTA is by audition. It's an SFUSD magnet school. There's no good reason it should be filled with students who don't live in San Francisco--and it's not suddenly going to be filled with undocumented students because they stop admitting white kids from the suburbs. People would be up in arms if they were giving that many spots at Lowell to out-of-district transfers, and you can bet that the Lamorinda schools aren't offering transfer spots to San Francisco students in similar numbers.

Out-of-district students can always head to Oakland School for the Arts instead--that's a charter and therefore is open to all California students. Or, as SFUSD suggests, they can get their own districts to open arts magnet schools.

[citylove101]

What's the share of kids in this school from the 'burbs? Anybody know? Is it like 5% or maybe a big share, like 35%? Would keeping the suburban kids out leave the school without critical mass, in terms of talented arts students?

The argument that a SF school school should be limited to SF kids flies in the face of the fact that there are many successful, highly-regarded public schools in the U.S. that are regional magnets, drawing talented kids from around the region or even the state. It's not like this is some weird, untested radical model.

The Bergen Academies in NJ, the Governor's Schools in Virginia, Central High in Philadelphia, International Academy in metro Detroit and North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics (residential) are just a few I can name off the top of my head. All of these places use different ways to fund -- state, local, regional, even tuition (in the case of out-of-district kids attending Central). Looked at this way, the argument that SF schools should only educate SF kids is sort of weak, especially since this is already a small school, and SF is famously a city with few school-age few kids to begin with.

If Asawa is successful the way it is, they should just leave it alone. Why is that so difficult for San Franciscans to grasp?
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[beb0p]

This OP post did not go the way I expected. I thought he was referring to the SF School District's current policy of sending kids all over the city, sometimes way outside of district boundary, to attend schools.

At any rate, illegal immigrants pay almost $12 billion state and local taxes each year. That's Billion with a "B". Out of district students don't contribute to the institution's budget, but illegal immigrants do. So this is basically apples and oranges.
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[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by beb0p

This OP post did not go the way I expected. I thought he was referring to the SF School District's current policy of sending kids all over the city, sometimes way outside of district boundary, to attend schools.

At any rate, illegal immigrants pay almost $12 billion state and local taxes each year. That's Billion with a "B". Out of district students don't contribute to the institution's budget, but illegal immigrants do. So this is basically apples and oranges.
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The costs of illegals is much higher than the taxes they pay. Especially when you account for how they depress wages. The cost of schooling for the children of illegals is more than the total paid in taxes.

That is the irony, the city stops non residents from attending a school because of lack of resources for city students while allowing tens of thousands illegal to stay in the city and use up the same limited resources.

Just wait until the healthcare for illegals bill they are trying to pass goes through. The burden on tax payers will increase substantially.

[artemis78]

Originally Posted by citylove101

What's the share of kids in this school from the 'burbs? Anybody know? Is it like 5% or maybe a big share, like 35%? Would keeping the suburban kids out leave the school without critical mass, in terms of talented arts students?

The argument that a SF school school should be limited to SF kids flies in the face of the fact that there are many successful, highly-regarded public schools in the U.S. that are regional magnets, drawing talented kids from around the region or even the state. It's not like this is some weird, untested radical model.

The Bergen Academies in NJ, the Governor's Schools in Virginia, Central High in Philadelphia, International Academy in metro Detroit and North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics (residential) are just a few I can name off the top of my head. All of these places use different ways to fund -- state, local, regional, even tuition (in the case of out-of-district kids attending Central). Looked at this way, the argument that SF schools should only educate SF kids is sort of weak, especially since this is already a small school, and SF is famously a city with few school-age few kids to begin with.

If Asawa is successful the way it is, they should just leave it alone. Why is that so difficult for San Franciscans to grasp?
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I think I read 14% somewhere, but don't quote me on that. It's in one of the recent articles on the issue, though.

I love the idea of regional magnets broadly, but they are posited on the idea that different participating districts all contribute. In this case, San Francisco Unified is paying for a school and is then allowing students from other districts to have seats in it (although they do, of course, get per capita funding for those students--but no more than they would get if those students were from within the city)--something that California has decided is at the discretion of both the sending and receiving district to control. (That is, your sending district must approve you leaving, and your receiving district must approve you coming in.) There's also a secondary issue that SF, like many CA cities, is losing many school-age kids to charter and private schools and there is much grumbling about the dearth of strong high school options in the city, so it seems wise to keep those schools open to SF residents to the extent possible. (I don't live in SF so I have no horse in this race, but I can absolutely see, from both the School Board's and SF parents' perspectives, why this would be the appropriate decision. Losing one in seven students doesn't seem likely to fundamentally compromise the quality of the school's programs.) I could also see proposing a one-for-one student spot swap with an equally strong school in the sending districts to make other types of high-performing high schools available to SF students, but again, I don't think you'll get any of the suburban districts agreeing to that.

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The San Francisco Unified School District decided Tuesday night that it's more important to protect its own. The board voted in favor of banning out-of-district students trying to get into the highly acclaimed Ruth Asawa School of the Arts.
School board votes to allow only students from San Francisco to attend Ruth Asawa School of the Arts | abc7news.com


I hope I don't have to explain the irony of San Francisco position of keeping students from outside of the city from attending an arts school because of the lack of resources available for in city residents in relation to the cities position on illegal immigration and being a sanctuary city.

I was more surprised that their are still any kids still living in the City...or enough to fill up an Arts based school (where kids must audition to be accepted).

I feel badly for the kids that live outside of the City since they don't have something like this for them in their own cities. I do hope some City/County will step up and build!

I don't, however see this as ironic since the children of the illegal immigrants actually LIVE in San Francisco. They pay local taxes. Are you suggesting that children (illegally here or not) should NOT be able to have access to an education?

I'd say your beef is more with San Francisco being a "sanctuary city" which is another issue altogether- which may be your legitimate complaint.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by clongirl

I was more surprised that their are still any kids still living in the City...or enough to fill up an Arts based school (where kids must audition to be accepted).

I feel badly for the kids that live outside of the City since they don't have something like this for them in their own cities. I do hope some City/County will step up and build!

I don't, however see this as ironic since the children of the illegal immigrants actually LIVE in San Francisco. They pay local taxes. Are you suggesting that children (illegally here or not) should NOT be able to have access to an education?

I'd say your beef is more with San Francisco being a "sanctuary city" which is another issue altogether- which may be your legitimate complaint.

The children of illegals shouldn't be in the city. How can they pay taxes if they are working illegally? Sales tax is a pittance compared to a legal resident/citizens tax burden.

I don't have a problem with San Francisco limiting the school to residents only, but the reasoning they are giving (lack of resources) while they embrace illegals is laughable.

It is very hard to find intellectual honesty in individuals and groups.

[beb0p]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

The costs of illegals is much higher than the taxes they pay. Especially when you account for how they depress wages. The cost of schooling for the children of illegals is more than the total paid in taxes.

That is the irony, the city stops non residents from attending a school because of lack of resources for city students while allowing tens of thousands illegal to stay in the city and use up the same limited resources.

Just wait until the healthcare for illegals bill they are trying to pass goes through. The burden on tax payers will increase substantially.

I'm all in favor of finding a way to tax the illegals like a citizen; I'm talking income tax, social security (even tough they are entitled to it), etc. I'm also open to forcing illegals to buy health insurance.
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[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by beb0p

I'm all in favor of finding a way to tax the illegals like a citizen; I'm talking income tax, social security (even tough they are entitled to it), etc. I'm also open to forcing illegals to buy health insurance.
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They can do all those things when they become legal residents.