San Francisco - Homelessness (apartment, how much, homes)

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by clongirl

The homelessness problem is a problem everywhere--not just San Francisco. I see it here now even in my little town in the East Bay. It's not that vastly different than what I'm witnessing in the Sacramento region. I have family there and they think it's gotten much worse and more obvious there too. Just went to visit my brother up there near Carmichael--it's really bad--tent cities, the guys pushing their grocery carts, etc. My stepsister and husband (they have several kids between them--((pure stupidity for not using birth control)) are both working low paying jobs and have had a terrible time finding an affordable place to live. If not for parent's houses , they'd be close to homelessness too.

It's not a liberal issue. Do try to keep in mind, to the best of your ability that these are still human beings--The are not doing this to **** you off. Where exactly are they supposed to go to the bathroom? I can't even find a toilet downtown when I need to go! I know it's gross to see and smell, but what can be done about it? Pushing them out from wherever they are isn't a solution at all. Then they just end up homeless elsewhere.

This is a problem with our culture. You rarely, if ever see this in Europe. A problem with drug/opiate/alcohol addiction, childhood abuse/trauma, a problem with affordability, and a problem with mental illness (often PTSD from military service). There are also a ridiculous amount of people working real jobs and still homeless because of high rents...families with children.

No it is not... you are living in the fog bubble if you truly think that. Most of the country does not have to step over human poop, pee or vomit. It is not normal or common.

[Nurse Bishop]

[quote=Hawk J;50528362]It might help if the city puts portable outhouses where there are many homeless folks. Have them emptied frequently.[/QUOTE


They had to put timers on the doors because they just hole up in there. And what did the timed door openings reveal? The homeless having sex and shooting up. The cities had to take them down.

[bmw335xi]

The only thing that will help is... actually charging and jailing homeless if they are publicly exposing themselves, shooting up or drunk.

[clongirl]

Originally Posted by bmw335xi

No it is not... you are living in the fog bubble if you truly think that. Most of the country does not have to step over human poop, pee or vomit. It is not normal or common.

I didn’t say it was normal. You misinterpreted what I wrote.

[Vanderbiltgrad]

I am extremely liberal but the problem is you cannot treat homeless with just higher taxes on the rich and it is not cruel to lock up the mentally ill for their own safety. Same issues with public schools in the inner city, yes they could get more money but if children do not want to learn it will not make a difference.

[modernist1]

Lived here for decades, it's never been worse. Like pre-revolutionary Shanghai. The so-called progressives have a lot to answer for - the 'liberalism' they espouse - only serves the status quo. 'Sit-lie' - not implemented ... SF needs a Giuliani - or real socialism (ok, thought I'd throw it out there, this is America). The middling in-between changes nothing.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by modernist1

Lived here for decades, it's never been worse. Like pre-revolutionary Shanghai. The so-called progressives have a lot to answer for - the 'liberalism' they espouse - only serves the status quo. 'Sit-lie' - not implemented ... SF needs a Giuliani - or real socialism (ok, thought I'd throw it out there, this is America). The middling in-between changes nothing.

SF actually had a Giuliani in Frank Jordan and it chose to throw him out and replace him with a corrupt, albeit competent shyster in Willie Brown. Who has never stopped being mayor if you think about it. Newsom and Lee both took orders from him, and now his ho is mayor.

[shooting4life]

Nothing like the first rain after summer in San Francisco.

[modernist1]

Originally Posted by majoun

SF actually had a Giuliani in Frank Jordan and it chose to throw him out and replace him with a corrupt, albeit competent shyster in Willie Brown.

Brown was always such an obvious huckster.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by modernist1

Brown was always such an obvious huckster.

A lot of my friends and former neighbors in the City who I've talked to about politics say they're going to vote for Villaraigosa for governor to keep Newsom - and his mentor Willie - out of the governor's office. If you think about San Franciscans' historical feelings about voting for an L.A. mayor, that is revolutionary. That's almost as difficult to achieve as getting them to vote for Trump