Chinatown Shop Owner Who Saved Woman from Robbery By Firing Gun is Arrested, Bailed Out (Oakland: loft, crime)

[Dangerous-Boy]

Chinatown Shop Owner Who Saved Woman from Robbery By Firing Gun is Arrested, Bailed Out



https://news.yahoo.com/chinatown-sho...163937062.html


You can't defend yourself in SF?

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Dangerous-Boy

Chinatown Shop Owner Who Saved Woman from Robbery By Firing Gun is Arrested, Bailed Out



https://news.yahoo.com/chinatown-sho...163937062.html


You can't defend yourself in SF?

It took place in Oakland, not SF. And what do you mean, "defend yourself"? The person who fired the gun wasn't the robbery/mugging victim. He was a 3rd party getting involved to stop a purse-snatching, according to the info you posted. You should read the material you post, before commenting.

[MechAndy]

I have great respect for people that live in these neighborhoods.
I consider them and their areas as one of California’s great treasures.
I have had the pleasure to work with several on many occasions.
They are good people.

I am also a strong supporter of the second amendment.

I’m not really sure what happened because I don’t give blind faith to the printed word.
Mistakes and misquotes do happen.

If this actually happened as reported I think he was wrong.
Firing a weapon should only be done to save a life.
It should never be done for saving property.
I don’t think an object is worth this.

I think (if this is correct) that he made a really bad judgment call.
This is not worth ruining his life though.

If this is indeed a case of “a really bad judgment” I think he could use some training.
If this person is actually prosecuted maybe few classes in safety might be the best for all.

That’s all I got.

[davdaven]

OPD wants people to call 911? That's rich! OPD doesn't come when you call them. People (including my friends) don't even bother contacting them about property crimes anymore. A friend of mine was assaulted by a burglar in the parking lot of his loft a few years ago, and OPD wouldn't even come out to take a report. Another friend of mine had her car stolen so the vehicle could be used as a getaway vehicle in other crimes, and OPD's only effort to handle the situation was to ask her for close to a thousand dollars to get the vehicle out of impound.

I assure you that, unlike OPD, a good chunk of the public supports the shop owner and not the criminal. The Chinese community in particular is vulnerable and the city only gives them lip service.

P.S. FYI, Oakland and SF are two different cities.

P.P.S. This might be a good time for Charles Bronson fans to re-watch the Death Wish series. Maybe we should buy the shop owner a DVD box set!

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

It took place in Oakland, not SF. And what do you mean, "defend yourself"? The person who fired the gun wasn't the robbery/mugging victim. He was a 3rd party getting involved to stop a purse-snatching, according to the info you posted. You should read the material you post, before commenting.

Defend yourself, defend others....does that really matter here? The main point seems completely lost on you.

[sav858]

Oakland, SF, etc...doesn't matter. All of the Bay Area and pretty much most of CA is like this. You can't defend yourself.

And for a city like Oakland to implore people to call authorities instead is extremely laughable. The criminals have pretty much taken over.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by sav858

Defend yourself, defend others....does that really matter here? The main point seems completely lost on you.

"Does that really matter here"? Of course; that's the crux of the story. To the police, it mattered, as was explained in the article, and the guy ended up in jail with a hefty bail set. The OP's comment comes across as trollish. Of course you can defend yourself in Oakland, or anywhere else in the Bay Area. Defending himself isn't what the shopowner was doing.

The OP doesn't seem to have read his own posted link. He didn't even know what city the crime had taken place in, let alone the details of the story. That's indicative that the OP had an agenda in posting the story, besides merely informing people of a news item.

Still, the case has interesting implications, especially for the hordes of people out there, who believe that carrying guns will help them stop crimes in progress happening to others.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by sav858

Oakland, SF, etc...doesn't matter. All of the Bay Area and pretty much most of CA is like this. You can't defend yourself.

And for a city like Oakland to implore people to call authorities instead is extremely laughable. The criminals have pretty much taken over.

Of course you can defend yourself. The story isn't about someone trying to defend themselves.

And sure, the police chief said, "we would prefer people call LE, be good observers, and inform us of the details". Sure, but but how could the shopowner have done that, with a crime taking place right in front of him? He's supposed to call 911 right then and there? Well who knows, maybe that would have deterred the crime and caused the perp to run out the door. If the perp had turned to attack the shopowner as he was reporting the crime, then the owner could have claimed self-defense, and wouldn't have gone to jail.

So...maybe police have a point? But not everyone reporting a crime in progress will have a gun to defend themselves with, in case things go horribly wrong. Should be an interesting court case. I hope the shop owner can afford a good lawyer, now that $60,000 of his money, or somebody's money, was spent on getting him out of jail.

[sav858]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

"Does that really matter here"? Of course; that's the crux of the story. To the police, it mattered, as was explained in the article, and the guy ended up in jail with a hefty bail set. The OP's comment is trollish. Of course you can defend yourself in Oakland, or anywhere else in the Bay Area. Defending himself isn't what the shopowner was doing.

The OP doesn't seem to have read his own posted link. He didn't even know what city the crime had taken place in, let alone the details of the story. That's indicative that the OP had an agenda in posting the story, besides merely informing people of a news item.

Still, the case has interesting implications, especially for the hordes of people out there, who believe that carrying guns will help them stop crimes in progress happening to others.

You can't shoot someone for trying to rob you in CA so no you can't really defend yourself here.

Who cares whether it was Oakland or SF, they're right next to each other and not relevant to the point at all.

When the police are doing little to stop crimes in cities like Oakland and SF it's hard to really blame them for wanting to.

[MechAndy]

You guys do know that both towns have a Chinatown right?