View Poll Results: Are you in favor of the ban?
Yes
20 35.71%
No
36 64.29%
03-19-2012, 12:34 PM
Location: Austin
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Someone at a concert here brought in their blanket, as we all do. The group started throwing each other up and down as if the blanket was a parachute. One kid broke his neck and dies.
03-19-2012, 12:42 PM
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redvelvet709
Someone at a concert here brought in their blanket, as we all do. The group started throwing each other up and down as if the blanket was a parachute. One kid broke his neck and dies.
I understand your point - and in a sense I agree. I don't see why Sarasota/the police have to make this an all or none issue. Are they just to lazy to come up with practical solutions?
I think police should have the legal authority to detain people that are obnoxiously drunk on the beach. But no need to "harass" responsible citizens about enjoying a glass of wine on the beach. And no need to go searching coolers for alcohol (provided people are behaving and not "obviously drunk").
I would like the idea of having more sobriety checkpoints by law enforcement on the Siesta Key roads. I think this would improve safety for all - and if there was unannounced random DUI road checkpoints on the key - this would translate to people being more responsible about their drinking on the beach.
Leave it to the commissioners and police to proclaim it's either "All or None". Why?
03-19-2012, 01:03 PM
Location: Austin
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wondermint2
I understand your point - and in a sense I agree. I don't see why Sarasota/the police have to make this an all or none issue. Are they just to lazy to come up with practical solutions?
I think the issue/problem has to do with personal accountability or the overall lack thereof most people live by. Because the majority cannot be self-controlled, we all end up suffering and falling under these rules. One bad apple, I guess...
03-19-2012, 01:30 PM
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redvelvet709
I think the issue/problem has to do with personal accountability or the overall lack thereof most people live by. Because the majority cannot be self-controlled, we all end up suffering and falling under these rules. One bad apple, I guess...
Yes so the question is - Can law enforcement & the commissioners come up with some kind of "middle ground" - that won't punish responsible citizens but that will address the issue to make Siesta Key a better safe place.
So my point was - why can't there be some "common sense" rules, procedures, laws that would tend to control irresponsible troublemakers - while not infringing on the rights of others?
I read that law enforcement had said that if any kind of ban on alcohol is instituted - that it can only be enforced by an "all or none" policy. There won't be any "middle ground" on this issue. Once again people in charge don't have common sense? Or is it just laziness on the part of enforcement?
03-19-2012, 01:41 PM
Location: Austin
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Yes so the question is - Can law enforcement & the commissioners come up with some kind of "middle ground" - that won't punish responsible citizens but that will address the issue to make Siesta Key a better safe place.
I truly believe it is both! Very few folks, in charge or otherwise, posses common sense. And it is easy to make a rule to cover everyone verses allowing for circumstances. It gets pretty muddy there, too many moving parts.
Our rights are violated more and more every year. The dumber our society keeps becoming, the more of this we can expect.
03-19-2012, 04:01 PM
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I don't think there are simple solutions. Booze is banned on beaches everywhere...there must be a reason.
03-22-2012, 01:49 PM
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macyny
I don't think there are simple solutions. Booze is banned on beaches everywhere...there must be a reason.
No, there is no reason, or people claimed there was a reason due to a couple of incidents. The US, for the most part, still has a powerful bloc that is anti-alcohol, anti this, anti that. Drinking in public is generally banned everywhere, not just beaches.
If it was a human trait issue, then many more places would have problems and bans, but they do not, so it seems to be a specific issue with the US culture (not saying the US is alone in this), the need to drive when drunk and/or become violent, along with over drinking instead of having one or two beers, or a glass of wine. Maybe we should try addressing that instead of making blanket bans everywhere for everything.
Blanket bans are used for lazy enforcement, that is why many blanket bans are in place, the gov does not want to take the trouble to actually use some qualitative analysis to determine if someone is breaking the law, but the gov employees like to get paid as if they are more than a data entry robot.
03-24-2012, 10:44 AM
Location: Fort Lauderdale, Florida
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I was on Crescent Beach Thursday and a group of twenty someithing guys dug a massive pool sized hole in the sand, barricaded chairs all around it, and started playing flip cup.
03-29-2012, 03:36 PM
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Well for those of you that were opposed to an alcohol ban on Siesta Key Beach - it looks like you won:
Alcohol ban looks unlikely | HeraldTribune.com
IMO the sad part about this were the comments made by Sheriff's Department. They essentially said they plan on doing NOTHING to make the beach/roads safer - citing the fourth amendment blah, blah, blah.
From the article:
"SARASOTA COUNTY - Instead of weighing the pros and cons of a ban on alcohol on county beaches, a discussion Thursday morphed into a debate over the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights on Thursday.
County Sheriff's Office officials told commissioners that measures to control drunk driving on the beach, like snatching car keys or searching coolers, would violate the Fourth Amendment, which protects against unreasonable search and seizure."
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House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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